We don't need no stinkin' base.

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by TURFLORD, Oct 29, 2006.

  1. TURFLORD

    TURFLORD LawnSite Senior Member
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    Last year a customer of mine was having pavers done when I showed up to cut the lawn. I told him I was able to do that size job and was working it into the conversation as to why he didn't ask me for a quote. Anyway, we got to talking about price. Flat and square patio in back, approx. 16x25 and walkway around side to drive picking up side door along the way. Remove old slab 4". My price, off the top of my head and done on the spot... $13,000-$15,000. He got someone for $8500. I saw the job getting done.;) ;) ;) They ripped up the 4" slab, threw down about 1" of dust on top of the sub soil, and started laying bricks. Everything was dry cut. A nice cancer cloud hung in the air the whole time. And a note on professional courtesy, they didn't move a single tool out of my way.
     
  2. Randy Scott

    Randy Scott LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Well, I know it's all regional, but here in the mid-west, you would be way out of line with your price. 400 sq. ft. patio (16x25), a walkway from the back to the drive, approximately 35 x 5 feet (max), another 175 sq.ft. plus removal of old patio. High end bid here would be 10K.
     
  3. tthomass

    tthomass LawnSite Gold Member
    from N. VA
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    point out to the customer the installation is not being done correctly??
     
  4. paponte

    paponte LawnSite Silver Member
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    I thought ICPI was a proud sponsor of stone dust? Some guy at a quarry came up with the idea of a "base" to move his product... no? :rolleyes:

    I would agree that your price would be on the high end, of course site unseen.
     
  5. PerfiCut L&L

    PerfiCut L&L LawnSite Senior Member
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    Without actually seeing the job site, $8500 seems about the going price for a similar job in this area.

    All you can do is inform the customer of what they can expect from a quality job like that.

    We send out small brochures with our invoices promoting services like stoneworks, and water features... things that a customer might not think a lawn company does. Works good for us.
     
  6. TURFLORD

    TURFLORD LawnSite Senior Member
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    The price wasn't the point I was making, but while we're at it, my price did include the cost of pavers which were an interlocking octagonal type, not the cheapest thing in the catalog. I know I'm not providing exact job specs but I know I'm pretty close for quoting from the hip. The main crux of this post is that there was absolutely no base used at all, just an inch of dust on grade. Some could argue crushed concrete/road stone, new/reuse base, how much base, etc. None was used.:confused:
     
  7. tthomass

    tthomass LawnSite Gold Member
    from N. VA
    Posts: 3,497

    it will fail, then you can fix it

    stone dust shows they do NOT know what they are doing, big no no......aside from no base
     
  8. ACutAbovesiny

    ACutAbovesiny LawnSite Senior Member
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    ICPI is strictly against using stone dust. It retains moisture and is just not as good as sand.
     
  9. ACutAbovesiny

    ACutAbovesiny LawnSite Senior Member
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    Forgot about the no base part. Are they professional or just some guy that said "I could do that job cheaper than anyone else can."
     
  10. paponte

    paponte LawnSite Silver Member
    Posts: 2,366

    Thanks! Glad I'm certified or else I wouldnt have known that. I've been installing pavers for a couple of hours now, think I got the jist of it. I was being sarcastic, how you couldn't tell I don't know. :hammerhead:
     

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