Wow Ric, I think you need to go back to school because you are SOOO far off base here it is embarrassing. But you go on and believe what you want. Quite frankly, I am rather surprised because you normally do not pretend to know a subject, unlike some others on this forum. The fact that you, nor anyone else here, has mentioned the two major concerns with some composts (heavy metals, salts) just goes to show the basic lack of knowledge with regard to compost .... yet so many of you claim to have that knowledge. I have asked for several posters here to back up their statements with regard to organics being harmful to the environment ..... and every single question got ignored. Wonder why? BTW, recommended moisture level for an active compost pile is around 40-60%, and for finished compost 30-40% .... but yea, it is hydrophobic Ric. http://www.css.cornell.edu/compost/monitor/monitormoisture.html Go ahead, learn something new Ric and stop presenting yourself as an uneducated fool. http://cwmi.css.cornell.edu/factsheets.htm Oh, and a couple erosion studies showing how effective compost is at controlling runoff and erosion .... but yea, it is "hydrophobic" and is a "large contributor to water pollution". http://www.filtrexx.com/downloads/Iowa Study Complete - BioCycle.pdf http://www.p2pays.org/ref/11/10295.pdf And trust me when I say, there are many, MANY more studies showing the benefits of compost. Want me to post a few hundred? And you have reviewed how many of my 7000+ posts? Guess what betmr, the best way to learn is to reason out the answer on your own. Most times I will push people in the right direction so they can do exactly that. I know, based on your posts, you like to be spoon fed, so I guess your post is right in line with that. Oh and make sure you read the studies posted above so you can avoid making more ignorant statements in the future. Wrong ... but not a bad idea. I think Treegal will get a real kick out of Ric's post about compost. Maybe she will invite him over to her composting operation and kick some sense into him. Really .... news to me because I don't remember ever posting pics like that. Got a link Rod, or are you FOS as usual? BTW, manure is, in part, one answer to using less fertilizer while keeping SOM at acceptable levels .... so at least you got part of it right. Maybe you can explain to betmr the difference between agronomic rates and disposal rates?