What's your diagnosis

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by Dirt Boy, Sep 27, 2011.

  1. Dirt Boy

    Dirt Boy LawnSite Senior Member
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    Many years old, not my problem, but I was doing some sprinkler repairs, and since I'm trying to learn the hardscaping, I was interested in this, and would like to here your opinions as to what went wrong with this install.

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  2. zak406

    zak406 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    This is my opinion it may be right or wrong so take it with a grain of salt but I want to take a stab at it.

    A. it looks like over the years the freeze and thaw cycle has affected the patio
    b. the wall looks like it could have been a bad mortar mixture maybe to wet?

    d. it looks like a poor base construction/ bad compaction, if the base was extended farther out you wouldnt have the slant issue with the brick
     
  3. zak406

    zak406 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    and not to mention no edge restraint!
     
  4. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
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    primarily settlement. end of story.
     
  5. scagrider22

    scagrider22 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Another good reason not to use clay bricks and mortar for retaining walls, they are designed to move with freeze and thaw.
     
  6. jonesy5149

    jonesy5149 LawnSite Senior Member
    from Maine
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    :confused:
    DVS hit it on the nose with a mallet...
     
  7. AztlanLC

    AztlanLC LawnSite Bronze Member
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    the wall it could be that the footings are not below the frost line
     
  8. Gilmore.Landscaping

    Gilmore.Landscaping LawnSite Senior Member
    from Ontario
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    So its tough to tell but looks like there is a concrete base for the whole patio? Maybe wrong with that but either way looks like water got down through the joints in the patio and then trapped below pavers on the mortared banding/wall. Freeze thaw would just rip that apart.
     
  9. Dirt Boy

    Dirt Boy LawnSite Senior Member
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    Not sure what, or how it was built, looked to me like they had an outer ring foundation of some sort, it looked to me as though it was tilted out, probably, as has been mentioned, by freeze/thaw/settlement. Apparently the center has bedding, you can't see them in the pic's, but there are drains every so often around the perimeter coming from the inside (assuming).

    Thanks for the input!
     
  10. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
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    This reminds me of some pictures posted on this forum not too long ago where a mortared stone wall was built above frost line.

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