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Which of these ZTR's is the best deal?

Discussion in 'Homeowner Assistance Forum' started by tkcrabby, Jul 19, 2006.

  1. tkcrabby

    tkcrabby LawnSite Member
    Posts: 53

    Dixon Ram 50, 25hp B&S $4170 + tax
    Dixon Ram 50 MAG, 20 Kohler $4450 + tax

    The only differences between the "Ram" and the "Ram Mag" that I can see is that the "Ram Mag" has the 20hp Kohler instead of the 25hp Briggs on the "Ram". Also the "Ram" has the "Hydro-gear IZT" while the "Ram Mag" has the "Hydro-gear Charged IZT"

    Do Dixon's have "wheel motors" like a Scag and some of the other ZTR's.

    These are the only two machines that I've been able to find in my area that are in my price range $3,000 - $4,500 that I'd want,,,,,,,,,, as they both have welded decks and NOT stamped decks.

    I'm more than willing to pay the higher of the two prices BUT I don't want to buy the "Ram Mag" IF it's not actually better than the "Ram"
     
  2. sefh

    sefh LawnSite Member
    Posts: 40

    I'm actually looking at these two. I'm looking at the Dixon with the Kohler motor instead of B/S. I also would like some feedback on these mowers to see if they are worth the money.
     
  3. dfischer

    dfischer LawnSite Member
    from Il
    Posts: 114

    Don't know the dixons. Thought they were cousins to the gravely, and I'd heard they had spindle problems. Which brings me to...

    Fab's decks aren't better then stamped. Thats a OWT that is so commonly repeated it's become a 'truth". But, stamped flows air, and grass better. They both mulch and discharge better.

    This all came from three things:

    1) Real thick commercial decks being welded up by companies that didn't have the money to buy hi-pressure stamping machines.

    2) Cheap stamped decks being built by some vendors.

    3) Commercial operators running into stuff all the time and bending up their decks.

    So, a home owner is probably better off with a stamped deck.

    I'd be more worried about pumps, decks spindles, and overall design quality then I would stamped vs. fab.
     
  4. tkcrabby

    tkcrabby LawnSite Member
    Posts: 53

    Thanks,
    I didn't realize that stamped was better,, my feeling that welded was better cae from seeing so many stamped decks that where badly bent OR rusting through over time OR both.
    My neighbor has a Dixon Ram , 50" cut , 25 hp Briggs, 2005 model and he loves it so far,,,, of course theres been no problems of any type yet. I've mowed my 1.5 acre twice with his and it seems to be very solid. I can get Dixon, Scag, Ferris, snapper, and Troy Built here locally,,,,,,,,, I've read that the Troy Built is junk. The Scag & Ferris are out of my price range, and the Snapper is right at the price of the cheaper of the two Dixon's. I really wanted to end up with about a 50" deck as well.
    IF the "Ram Mag" has better "wheel motors" or better anything else I'd gladly pay the little extra cash for it BUT as I said before, I don't want to pay any more IF it's not any better than the "Ram"
    I understand that the Kohler 20 hp is better than the Briggs 25 hp as far as lasting longer BUT is it under powering the mower by using 20 hp instead of 25 hp?

    Thanks for any help you guys can be on this!
     
  5. dfischer

    dfischer LawnSite Member
    from Il
    Posts: 114

    I do think stamped is better for airflow, and if you're even sorta respectfull of the machine even a small gauge stamped it fine. My old 265 deere had a stamped deck, as 16 years old, and was nearly flawless. Of course I'd repainted it, but...

    Cleary rust and dents will affect any deck.

    Power wise, 20 hp should be ok for 50". I use 60" on 25 hp and it's OK. A tiny low for heavy mulching at full speed, but really...

    Perhaps the gravely dixon spindle issue is over-rated. Have you done any searches on the forum here? That's where I heard the comments. Still, I've seen a few out there, so mabe there are Ok. Like i said, I really don't have much insight on them.

    The snapper/simplicity homeowner Z's had a following here for a bit. Might want to search for those reviews. Also, people seem to like the hustler mini z and super Z. Still, I thought the hustler wheels were to small for a good ride, and didn't like the integrated motor/pump set-up for the cost.

    I do think the S/S setup is also integrated, but cheaper still.
     
  6. tkcrabby

    tkcrabby LawnSite Member
    Posts: 53

    "Perhaps the gravely dixon spindle issue is over-rated. Have you done any searches on the forum here?" Nope, I didn't know there where any problems with the Dixon Spindles,,, but I'll do a search as you suggest and see what I can find out.....................

    "The snapper/simplicity homeowner Z's had a following here for a bit. Might want to search for those reviews." I'll check them out as well.

    "Also, people seem to like the hustler mini z and super Z."
    Not a dealer close enough for me to want to get one of these.

    "didn't like the integrated motor/pump set-up for the cost.
    I do think the S/S setup is also integrated, but cheaper still."
    The Dixon's spec sheet says the "final drive is integrated", what are some of the others in this respect? What is bad about the final drive being integrated?
     
  7. newz7151

    newz7151 LawnSite Silver Member
    from Tejas
    Posts: 2,419

    If I were looking at the Dixon's right now, I might be a little apprehensive until it's seen what happens in the final shake out with Dixon having been bought by Husqvarna at the end of June. The way some people complain about getting Husq. parts, what happens if Husq follows the Husq model for Dixon parts as well?
     
  8. steve45

    steve45 LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,325

    Like it's easy to get Dixon parts???

    I've got a very old Dixon, which is not representative of the newer ones. However, I would NEVER buy another one. Absolutely the worst product I have ever owned!
     
  9. tkcrabby

    tkcrabby LawnSite Member
    Posts: 53

    I just got back from a local dealer who I'd forgotten about ,,, they handle eXmark and had a 2005 Lazer Z ct , 18hp Briggs, 48" cut,,,, ,,,,,,,,, the guy told me it was $5499 = tax, I asked about the fact that it had been setting outside and was rusted up enough that the left stick or handle was stuck in place and there was a lot of rusted nuts and bolts on it as well as it having a flat front tire,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, he then said , ok, the best I'll do is $5100 = tax,,,,, still this is a even $1,000 more than I can get the 2006 Dixon Ram, 25hp Briggs and 50" cut for,,,,,, doesn't seem like a very good deal to me ,,,,, I do like the way the mower is made though.
     
  10. newz7151

    newz7151 LawnSite Silver Member
    from Tejas
    Posts: 2,419

    Might want to stay away from that CT if it's in that condition.

    Original 2005 list on that mower was $5699.

    With Dixon though, it still would make me uneasy that Husq recently purchased Dixon. I'm sure they will keep making the Dixon mower, but if they decided to shut the brand down after a few months or a year, it'd get tough to find parts for a discontinued brand. (not that this couldn't happen with any other mower manufacturer too, but Dixon is still a recent case)
     

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