White Gardens

Discussion in 'Original Pictures Forum' started by White Gardens, Apr 28, 2009.

  1. Whitey4

    Whitey4 LawnSite Silver Member
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    Pretty good rant, as rants go! :laugh:

    From my readings.... they say forget the suckers, they won't hurt yield... mind you, just reading stuff on the net from a myriad of sources.

    I also read that different varieties should not be planted together, as cross pollination can result in lower quality and in some cases, less sweet corn that what might be expected, like the super sweets.

    I've had some of my hot pepper plants cross pollinate, and the hybrid variety was only evident in the next generation of harvested seed... and resulted in lower yields, although some of the hybrid peppers were interesting.... I have this very rare pepper... called a Calico, similar to Bolivian Rainbows, cross pollinate with a Habenero. Poor fruit production from the hybrid seeds, but it did learn me some about plant spacing... those Calico seeds are rare, and I want to keep a pure strain going.

    Again, just stuff I read, so I'm certainly not saying anything but what a parrot might!
     
  2. Whitey4

    Whitey4 LawnSite Silver Member
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    PS: If I get just two or three ears, good ones, I figure it's a successful experiment!
     
  3. White Gardens

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    I've always been told to at least get rid of the suckers. This year I've made more of an effort to take care of each plant instead of the whole crop. So far removing the suckers has seemed to pay off as the ears on my second two varieties seem way larger than they ever have in the past. I don't know if there is a direct correlation, as my spacing is also better this year too. I really don't know for sure, but my spidy senses told me to pull the suckers.

    I've never notice any difference in the initial yield from cross pollination. I would suspect (such in your case with the Calico pepper) that you would see dramatic results in the crop of the first generation planted after the initial cross.

    I was also hoping that my varieties were far enough apart to help prevent cross-pollination, but that probably didn't happen.
     
  4. Whitey4

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    Again, just from reading, the super sweets "they" say can be less sweet if they get cross pollinated. Cross pollination won't mean lower yields, just less sweet corn from varities like the super sweet. I haven't read that sucker removal can't hurt anything, just that is makes no diff, so if you think it helps, I'll go with that and remove them.

    Yup, the cross pollinated pepper plants had no visable signs of having been cross pollinated, it only showed up in the next generation. The bummer there was that there was no way to tell which plant strains were comprimised until the plants fruited. No tell tale signs based on leave development or growth, etc. The first sign was slightly fewer flowers, but even that wasn't a good indicator, as flower drop with no fruit was the real yield killer, aside from the fact the fruit itself was not what I wanted from this very unique hot pepper strain.

    This year my Calicos are well away from my other pepper plants.... you like hot peppers? These are not killer hot... hot but a wonderful flavor. I've had some jalepenos that were much hotter... maybe a seed swap next year? Some of my Calico seeds for your corn? They are tropicals.... so if you want yield, you need to start them in a controlled environment, they like heat and sun. Sow them like corn.... and get nuthin. You might get some peppers, but the seeds won't be developed enough to plant the following year.


    ok.... stupid Q.... are those tinny little hairs the beginning of silk on my corn? The plants are about 3 foot now... tassels, some fine hairs at the nodes, but nothing else I can observe as yet. I'm thinkin I'm gonna get some of the tiny corns in Chinese food...! :laugh:
     
  5. White Gardens

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    A.) To me, in the garden especially, I feel that too much energy gets expended into the suckers. About the time the suckers are using energy to tassel and produce baby corn, then the main ear on the corn is just starting to mature or "fill" out as my grandfather used to say. Sometimes I wonder if the suckers interfere with pollination if they are as tall as the ears that are on the main stalk.

    I grew up with field sweet corn. Usually 6-8 rows, about 60 to 100 yards long. Always planted on the edge of the corn field, so it always received the same treatment as the field corn. It isn't nearly as sweet or tender as the corn you yield from the garden. My scale is; 2 for store bought, 7 for farmer grown, and 10 for the garden grown sweet corn. So when it comes down to it, if my super-sweet variety isn't as sweet, then it's negligible to what flavor you achieve. It's also kinda laughable now that field corn is round-up ready, and you can't spray the sweetcorn like they used to with a selective herbicide. The crop services are now coming in and hand spraying the patches to not kill the sweet corn. My dad has just about given up, especially when the dear and raccoons go after it.

    B.) I love hot peppers. I used to work at a fusion cooking restaurant and fell in love with the Serrano pepper. Not too hot after taking out the seeds and pith out, and the "green" heat flavor is phenomenal. We'll definitively have to do a seed swap. Most of my pepper plants are bought at 4-6 inches in height from one of the local nurseries, so I don't direct sow pepper plants. The only things I directly sow are beans, corn, potatoe eyes, lettuce, and radishes. The onions, tomatoes, pepper, and cucumbers are all established plants. I have a grow light in the basement and a hand made cold frame to help harden them off for the out doors. The cold frame is pretty cool, I'll have to get it set up again and take pics. It's made from old windows and has an automatic opener for the center panel.

    Last year was a bad year as the temps were too low to really ripen my peppers. I'm afraid the same thing might happen this year too.:hammerhead:

    C.) Yes, those are the silks. They'll get bigger and bigger as the silks grow outward and the ear gets bigger. The silks will do their thing and then wilt to a brown color. After that happens you'll have about 2-4 weeks before the kernels fill out completely. To figure out if the ears are ready to harvest, pull back a little of the husk on the ear and take a look at the kernels at the end of the ear to see if they are yellow and full (unless it's a white variety). Don't pull too much back as you can push the husk back over if it's still not mature.

    Dang, so much talk about sweetcorn makes me want to do a midnight raid on the garden. :laugh:
     
  6. Whitey4

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    These Calicos are a custom engineered hybrid... they were being shown at an arboretum here, designed by some specialty seed outfit near the Hamptons. At the end of the season, a friend of mine saw them thrown into a compost heap at the arboretum. He swiped a few peppers and saved some seeds. The arboretum people had no problem with that, but I wonder if the seed company would be happy about it... in any case...

    It's considered an ornamental, but does have a nice yield. Purplish leaves, dark puprle fruit, about an inch long, and they get "streaked" as they ripen... hence the name, like a calico cat. They do pretty well in 12" pots, but the bigger the pot, the better.

    Just this morning, I can see the first ear of corn developing. :cool2:
     
  7. White Gardens

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    Here's some pics of this years feeding and mating season. I really almost compare it to a swarm of locust that come year after year after year.........

    Up close pics are a Rose Of Sharon. The poor thing doesn't have a chance to bloom.

    The two, almost defoliated trees are cherry trees.

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  8. White Gardens

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    This is of my first larger/detailed install done 2 years ago.

    Here is the link to the original pics of the property when I first started.

    http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=231121

    The HO had gotten behind on maintenance and called me back to do some work. I should have taken some before pics, but didn't think it was going to be as involved as it turned out.

    In the back yard was the main priority. The end of the walkway was overgrown with brush so I cut out about 2 yards of weed trees and weeds along the fence in the backyard. Also in the back was a playground area. The area also had 45 feet of 6 X 6 pressure treated lumber retaining the dirt in the playground. The area also had about 400 square feet of landscape fabric. The roots from the Maple trees had anchored it to the ground, so it was horrible ripping up. Luckily it came up in sections and not pieces.

    The landscape timbers were installed correctly, so they were a bear to get out of the ground. I used a 4 foot tire iron with a brick for a fulcrum point. The 6 X 6's were one on top of the other, nailed together with 10 inch spikes, overlapped, and had 3/4 inch, 4 foot long pieces of re-bar anchoring them to the ground.

    I then tilled and graded the area, pulling large surface roots from the trees, and then laid a pallet of sod. The back yard isn't perfect, but he wanted it to be semi-temporary as he wants to add on to the back of the house and bury the utility lines. So ultimately it isn't a perfect grade/sod job. I also added in the Hostas around the edges. They came in 5 gallon pots.

    The rest of the yard, including the front got a pruning/mulch/weeding/ and hedge trimming.
     
  9. White Gardens

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    Here is the pics of the work done around the 4th of July. Took me 5 days total, with a couple of short days.

    I tried to set the pics up in succession as if you were walking to the front to the back and to the front again.

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  10. White Gardens

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    More Pics.

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