Who has used & tested SumaGreen besides...

Discussion in 'Organic Lawn Care' started by replenish&subdue, Jul 24, 2012.

  1. replenish&subdue

    replenish&subdue LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 263

    When a search is done using SumaGreen,you can find Lawn 132012 in about every thread. Yet there is little testimony besides Lawn's 132012 brief expressions of "Try SumaGreen!" except that it has been through many studies. Before I try out the SumaGreen product can anyone direct to more supporting evidence. Can anyone share who these people are that developed the product. I wonder how well this one product (apart from a little N ) can supply and maintain a good environment for the soil.
     
  2. replenish&subdue

    replenish&subdue LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 263

    I have been using Holganix and no I am not a Holganix supplier. I am considering switching to SumaGreen and in the meantime doing homework. This year I have used Holganix and stopped doing synthetic fertilizers to about 3/4 of my customers. I have seen good results especially in shrub foliar sprays but hardly can go by one season with the weather being as it has. Reduced chemicals usage and have had good results.
    Here is a comparison my Holganix rep. sent after I expressed my interest in SumaGreen.
    Holganix
    Holganix SumaGreen
    Active Bio-Nutrients yes no
    Kelp yes no
    Gluten yes no
    Endo Mycorrhizae yes no
    Ecto Mycorrhizae yes no
    Nitrogen Fixing Bacteria yes yes
    Normal Flora yes no
    Protozoa yes no
    Nematodes non-parastic yes no
    Tea Tree Oil yes no
    Brewer's yeast yes no
    Molasses yes no
    Corn syrup yes no
    Yucca extract yes no
    Milky Spore yes no
    Amino acid yes yes
    Chitin yes no
    Auxins yes no
    Streptomyes yes no
    Trichoderma yes no
    Secondary & Micro Nutrients yes no
    (Calcium,Copper,Zinc,Iron,Molybdenum,Boron,Magnesium)

    There you have it. I must say I am impressed. Whether the amounts are sufficient,effective that I don't know and will need to go by results over time if I continue with Holganix . I know Holganix works better if there is some measure of food for the microbes to feed on. I will be working on training my customers to mulch clippings,proper watering (most all my customers have irrigation which can easily trump my efforts) and push more compost topdressing and compost tea and other inoculates.
    If I stay with Holganixs it will cost more than SumaGreen or synthetic fertilizer but this year I had a blessing in disguise. I lost two of my three employees in one day and the only way to make it was to combine treatments which saved me lots of labor costs. Fortunately my employee of 13 years was still on board and so with that adjustment I am probably doing well if not better.
    By the way the refrigeration part is nice. They loaned me a nice looking commercial stainless steel refrigerator. It's not a hassle when they deliver it at no cost.
    Perhaps I'll go 1/3 SumaGreen to save a little money,a smaller amount synthetic (have a lot of prep[aid fertilizer to rid) and the rest Holganix. Time will tell but I hope some others could chime in.
























































































    Humic and Fulvic Acids YES

    Kelp

    Gluten

    Endo Mycorrhizae

    Ecto Mycorrhizae

    Nitrogen Fixing Bacteria

    Normal Flora

    Protozoa

    Nematodes non-parasitic

    Tea Tree Oil

    Brewer’s Yeast

    Molasses

    Corn syrup

    Yucca Extract

    Milky Spore

    Amino Acid

    Chitin YES

    Auxins

    Streptomyces YES

    Trichoderma

    Secondary & Micro Nutrients: YES
    Calcium, Copper, Zinc, Iron, Molybdenum, Boron, Magnesium

    Sumagreen

    YES

    NO

    YES

    YES

    YES

    YES

    YES

    YES

    YES

    YES

    YES

    YES

    YES

    YES

    YES

    YES

    YES

    YES

    NO

    YES

    NO

    NO

    NO

    NO

    YES

    NO

    NO

    NO

    NO

    NO

    NO

    NO

    NO

    NO

    YES

    NO

    YES

    NO

    NO

    NO

    Holganix Components

    Active Bio-Nutrients

    Extracted from plant based compost, contains indigenous beneficial micro-organisms
    which suppress disease and convert nutrients to a plant usable form

    Humic and Fulvic Acids Extract from young peat bog - increases aerobic respiration and increases fertilizer
    efficiency

    Kelp

    Gluten

    Endo Mycorrhizae

    Ecto Mycorrhizae

    Nitrogen Fixing Bacteria

    Normal Flora

    Protozoa

    Nematodes

    Tea Tree Oil

    Brewer’s Yeast

    Molasses

    Corn syrup

    Yucca Extract

    Milky Spore

    Amino Acid

    Chitin Suppress disease and destructive nematodes; increases cell wall thickness

    Auxins

    Streptomyces Bacteria to fight soil borne diseases, Pythium, Rhizoctonia, Helminthosporium, Sclerotinia, Root
    Rot, etc.

    Trichoderma

    Secondary and Micro Nutrients:
    Calcium, Copper, Zinc, Iron, Molybdenum, Boron, Magnesium

    Increases fertilizer efficiency

    Pre-emergent Enhancer - increases flexibility in the soil

    Helps to develop root systems and increase water and nutrient uptake

    Helps to develop root systems and increase water and nutrient uptake

    For nitrification process of fertilizers and nutrients locked in the soil chemistry

    Bacteria that help fight off disease pathogens

    Break down organic materials into nutrients

    Beneficial Nematodes aid in fighting off insects

    Natural disease and insect suppression

    Simple Carbohydrates that aid in rooting and available food source

    Food source for micro-organisms

    Food source for micro-organisms

    Natural spreader sticker and wetting agent, soil conditioner

    Grub suppression

    Critical to cell formation and protein synthesis

    Natural plant growth regulator that increases plant density

    Fungi - fights root diseases i.e. Phytrophtora, Pythium, Fusarium & Dollar Spot
     
  3. replenish&subdue

    replenish&subdue LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 263

    Woops. On that last post know that the Holganix gets the first "yes or no" and SumaGreen the second "yes or no". In other words SumaGreen only had 3 "yes" and Holganix 22. And then the stuff written after was all the Holganix components and what they do but it did not copy and paste correctly. Sorry bout that.
     
  4. replenish&subdue

    replenish&subdue LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 263

    Guess I'll try it myself next round and then Can share my comparisons.
     
  5. ted putnam

    ted putnam LawnSite Platinum Member
    Posts: 4,531



    I will be the "crash test dummy" for warm season turf. I noticed you can buy a half gallon for $37.95 on their website. I'll order this weekend. I'm sure it will take a few days to get here which is just as well. Our highs this next week will range between 101 and 108 degrees each day with Wednesday being forecast at 108. Only God knows what the Heat Index will be that day.

    I've got the perfect strip of the crappiest soil that has an even weed free coverage of thin common bermuda. It's thin even when we're not in drought due to the lousy soil.

    I'll measure out 1K and divide it evenly 4 ways. I'll spray it all with 2oz/k of the Sumagreen. Then I'll spray half of it (500 ft sq) with .71875 oz or 1/8lb per K of 46-0-0 Urea. I'll use a clean Echo Backpack with a flat fan nozzle to apply. I'll water 2 of the four plots as evenly as possible given what I have here to use. One that has the Urea and one that doesn't. The other 2 plots will only receive water via rainfall. I'll also have a control area where nothing is done. There have been very isolated, sporadic thunderstorms every few days(10-20% chances) with 97-105 degree temps daily for the last month. We' ve had 18 triple digit days this summer. We are in the grip of a terrible drought here in Central Arkansas to be sure.

    I've treated lawns for 22 yrs now. I've heard about, read about and on a couple of occasions even ended up buying and trying what I later considered to be "snake oil", given the results I observed. Liquid Aeration was one such experience. I try to be fair and objective and I promise I do not "sugar coat" anything. I'll give my honest opinion and when I run this comparison, I'll take photos and get help to post them along with info about the care or lack thereof each has received.

    I've never done organics myself but have seen firsthand the positive results of a compost top dressing earlier this season on a zoysia/bermuda mix lawn. I'm open to new possibilties if they produce results.


    I'll see what happens. And when done, I'lll also know whether applying low volume is a viable option. If it works, I'd sure like to be able to apply with my Z-spray.
     
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2012
  6. phasthound

    phasthound LawnSite Platinum Member
    Posts: 4,560

    Ted, sent yo a PM
     
  7. ted putnam

    ted putnam LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Back at ya Barry
    Thanks
     
  8. BikePilot

    BikePilot LawnSite Member
    Posts: 242

    I purchased Sumagreen at the beginning of summer. I live in Memphis and have a Bermuda lawn without irrigation. I have applied sumagreen to my lawn at the recommended label rates for 3 apps. The lawns that I am paid to maintain I have still been using the synthetic granular fert. I seldom water my own lawn and I do not have the time or patience to complete a comparison as Ted described above. It will be great to hear the results. As for my results. I do not get the quick green-up like we are all familiar with from a synthetic fert. However, my lawn is equally as green when compared to my lawns that I maintain except for the lawns who's homeowners religiously water and make sure that their entire lawn is receiving at least 1 to 2 inches of water per week. And I am serious about this amount. They have water bills ranging between $200-$300 per month and I am not willing to do this. The last 6 weeks have been pretty dry and very hot. Mixed in were a few days of light rain with a few days with temps 88-90 but overall not much rain and above 94 everyday. With this weather there are some areas in my lawn that are definitely looking like they need some water and no matter what I put on them, without water they are going to turn brown and crunchy. I am not convinced enough to do away with traditional fert but I do like having it as an option and will continue to use it on my lawn as a continued test. When I first found out about Sumagreen I was put in contact with a gentleman who was starting to use Sumagreen in his operation but was combining Urea in the early growing months to get that green kick. He was pretty happy but said he will continue to add the Urea for the kick. I haven't spoken with him since the hot temps and dry weather to see what he is doing currently. When talked to the company prior to ordering my first batch they gave me good info about how this all came about but I would totally screw the story up if I tried to tell it. On a side not I am not a dealer, rep, or have any relationship with Sumagreen other than the credit card transaction I had when paying full price. My info isn't scientific by any means but I hope it gives you a little bit to go off of!!!

    Cheers
     
  9. replenish&subdue

    replenish&subdue LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 263

    I used Holganix this year and want to compare with SumaGreen this next treatment, Still using some synthetic as comparison. As a result I have too much 32-3-11 and some other blends.
    By the way, I also have a fiberglass split tank (200/100) with hypro pump & honda as well as Turfco aerators for sale.
     
  10. ted putnam

    ted putnam LawnSite Platinum Member
    Posts: 4,531


    ...and how's that comparison with standard ferts going for you?? As the crow flies, I'm not that far from Memphis. I am 40 miles north of Little Rock. Weather conditions should be very comparable for you and I. How are your unirrigated lawns holding up to the "Ring of Fire" the weather channel keeps talking about? Has the Holganix helped.
     

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