who is truly practicing ipm?

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by bobbygedd, Mar 18, 2004.

  1. bobbygedd

    bobbygedd LawnSite Fanatic
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    is anyone really practicing ipm? if so, how do you eat, and live indoors?
     
  2. Tscape

    Tscape LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Is this going to be a self righteous, bang the IPM drum post?
     
  3. bobbygedd

    bobbygedd LawnSite Fanatic
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    no, it's simple. if you are practicing true ipm, it means,you first took a soil sample, you aren't using a crabgrass preventer, it means you are not using merit, it means you are not using weed control, UNLESS, u have tried other measures to control the 3, and you have made several trips, day and night, to the site to make a positive identification of pests, and threshold. now, since a true practitioner of ipm cannot prescribe a program unless all i said was already done, does the customer pay for soil samples, trips to the site for evaluation, a little extra for night trips, does the client allow you to tear up the lawn to search for grubs, and pay for this evaluation, and finnally, if all else fails, and after all this is done, will the client also pay for neccesary treatments? what is my point? ipm is horse sh!t, that is my point. thank you
     
  4. DUSTYCEDAR

    DUSTYCEDAR LawnSite Fanatic
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    bobby i think u r taking it a little far ipm comes in many forms and ways of interpreting it
    so who wants ipm on your customer list?
     
  5. James Cormier

    James Cormier LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Bobby, I think ipm has its place with certain problems,

    It wasnt too long ago I was applying blanket apps of dursban on every lawn, then I switched to battle, ITs been several years since I dropped that blanket app of surface insect control and I have seen very little chinch,bill or other surface damage.

    I dont think too many guys are doing blanket weed control apps like we use to back in the 80's when every tank mix had weed control.

    I think certain things like crabgrass control cannot be used other than blanket apps to prevent , unless products like acclaim and drive come way down in price.

    Merit is one of the safest materials on the market and most effictive in controling the target pest, I think thats a great example of IPM
     
  6. bobbygedd

    bobbygedd LawnSite Fanatic
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    nobody. but, i talked via email to my lady friend at the d.e.p, and she said, starting next year, they will begin enforcing the use of ipm. you will be required, by law, to do every means of controlling the pest, or weed, without the use of chemicals. and, if finally, the use of chemicals is your only answer, it must be done with the absolute least amount of chemicals possible, which means, spot treatments instead of blanket apps, no more merit, no more pre em. it means visiting the site continuosly (and who's gonna pay for this?) to moniter pests and threshold. if you dare to use any chemical as a "preventer", or control method, you must have documented proof, that the condition exsisted the prior season, and it was properly identified, and the only means of success is to treat chemically. so now what's gonna happen? right now we are battling the guys applying without a license, pretty soon we will be battling eachother, cus who's gonna go to these measures, and who can make money this way? so now , instead of reported unlicensed companies, we can start reporting the licensed companies who are not practicing ipm.
     
  7. bobbygedd

    bobbygedd LawnSite Fanatic
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    ok james how do you justify using merit? there was no pest there when you treated. sure, you may have made field trips and found the beetles, but how can can u justify the treatment, without being certain of threshold? we know the beetles will lay eggs, but how do we know for sure there will be enough hatched to create a problem? practicing true ipm would mean evaluating threshold levels, which means merit would probably be useless at this time. ipm , praticed to its full extent, would mean the end of the pesticide business. unfortunately, i'm told, summonses will be written out for any practice not consistant with true ipm, in it's leteral wording.
     
  8. James Cormier

    James Cormier LawnSite Bronze Member
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    If that is true then they would but scotts, vigro and all suppliers out of business cause all those products have blanket apps for the first 3 treatments

    Not much Ipm there

    Sounds like scare tactics to me, I would be very surprised if it happens

    Join Placca or any local turf group, I sure they will get involved.
     
  9. James Cormier

    James Cormier LawnSite Bronze Member
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    email that ladys name, and I will send it along to Jim Campanella, he is the new president of placca,

    JIm and I worked together for many years at differnet lawn companiesI m sure he would love to hear about this.
     
  10. bobbygedd

    bobbygedd LawnSite Fanatic
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    i will not by any means reveal my source. but tell me, is using merit, really considered ipm? and as far as scotts, vigro, etc, these companies cater primarily to homeowners, the laws on this matter would not change, it's only if u apply pesticides on a "for hire basis" that you would get boned. in fact the companies that cater to home owners would probably prosper, as this type of monitoring the lawn care companies would be nothing less than a death sentance for our business, therefor the homeowner would be forced to apply thier own stuff, unguided, the people who sell these products would have a field day on the un knowing home owner(kind of like we do, ha ha)
     

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