Why cant Stihl make 2-Cycle equipment?

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by banjoman, Sep 19, 2012.

  1. cgaengineer

    cgaengineer LawnSite Fanatic
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    Bad carb equals bad 4mix engine...got it.
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  2. cgaengineer

    cgaengineer LawnSite Fanatic
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    You hear about more problems with those two brands because the number of them out in the field is much higher than any other brands.
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  3. Ridin' Green

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    That may be true, but there's enough Shindy (I know they're even starting to have problems now), Echo, Husky, Kawi, etc., owned by members of this board that if they were having anywhere near as many troubles as guys are with 4 mix equipment, we'd be hearing about it more than we do.
     
  4. ddixon7

    ddixon7 LawnSite Senior Member
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    It is just hard to judge a brand now days. They were scrambling to meet emissions. Back in the 90s, they were all producing top of the line stuff. I know that I had bought hundreds of Shindaiwa pieces, and thought that they were always going to be the best. Then I got a hold of 3 8510 back packs... All blew up in less than 2 months. I was just blowing and BAM! 3 different blowers... Its just really sad what the EPA has done. They will get better though, I hope. If the EPA keeps us at this level for a decade, they will start bringing out awesome stuff. It has to be hard for them to want to invest in something that they could be forced to discontinue shortly after...
     
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  5. Ridin' Green

    Ridin' Green LawnSite Fanatic
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    Very true.
    Hey, does that green BH resist having to run behind that blue CUT?:laugh:
     
  6. ddixon7

    ddixon7 LawnSite Senior Member
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    Ha, its an old BH. I think I'm going to have to pick up a new one. Its pretty much shot. It has to be around 40 or 50 years old. I like the tractor though. Good for food plots.
     
  7. Ridin' Green

    Ridin' Green LawnSite Fanatic
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    Definately! And a whole lotta other stuff too.
     
  8. jbell36

    jbell36 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    that's funny...i felt like i was the only one who noticed the torque on the new stihls...my company has broken over $2,000 worth of glass in the last 1.5 years, and i blame it all on the torque of the stihls and the fact that you simply can't feather the throttle...and when you are trimming and see a rock at the last second and let go of the throttle, it will launch the rock right through the window without hesitation, where a true 2 stroke would instantly lose power when you let go, or if you do hit something it loses power...the stihl wraps the string around anything it can, whether that be a rock, a pole, a tree, etc...i was weedeating today acutally and hit some sort of small metal pole in the lawn and literally sat there and waited a few seconds for it to stop biting as it revved down...we bought a husky a month or so ago and it definitely feels like a trimmer should...it's gonna be a tough decision on what we do next year, stihl dealer is here in town and not to mention awesome, and the husky dealer is 30 minutes away
     
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  9. ddixon7

    ddixon7 LawnSite Senior Member
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    The 4 mix and C4 stuff is just way to torqy for my taste. A trimmer shouldn't feel like a diesel pickup. I want high rpm, low torque in a trimmer.
     
  10. smallstripesnc

    smallstripesnc LawnSite Senior Member
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    I have been considering a new trimmer since I have had a bad experience with redmax. I have the BCZ2460S and lets just say it sounds like it has a bottom end issue (rattles/metalish sound) at high rpms and I've checked the muffler for loose baffles and checked about everything on the trimmer that I can check to see what the noise is and it all leads to a bad bearing in the bottom end. I have tried to deal with the dealer I got it from and they don't really have a desire to make it right without money involved to even check out the machine and getting ahold of redmax is harder than it seems. No contact info on their website and the dealer finally gave me a number and its hard to get a hold of someone. I always run synthetic 50:1 with 93 octane no ethanol fuel and its just frustrating that a trimmer less than 5 months old is giving me issue.

    I forgot to mention that it sounds like its running extremely lean when held regular but when you turn it upside down it sounds a little better. Blame the EPA. If there was a screw on the carb to adjust the high speed and low speed I could fix it but there's not =/.

    The newer two stroke stuff just isn't as good as it used to be. I've been leaning towards the FS90R but am scared to try a 4 mix trimmer since its all new to me.

    EPA sucks!
     

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