Why cant Stihl make 2-Cycle equipment?

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by banjoman, Sep 19, 2012.

  1. clydebusa

    clydebusa LawnSite Bronze Member
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  2. Nutsedge

    Nutsedge LawnSite Member
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    I really don't want to derail this thread so perhaps ill start a discussion about the EPA in the proper arena. There just seems to be either vast amounts of ignorance on the subject or just plain and simple greed/self centered thinking when it comes to the EPA imo.

    So my apologies to the OP.

    I have never owned/operated a stihl 4mix/ryobi c4 (though I would think the ryobi would be as much a piece of junk as all of their Walmart/hd/lowes trimmers I do repairs on quite regularly after one season of use!) but most people seem to dig them.

    I currently use a John Deere/home light s1400 and have been for the past 7-8 years with no issues othe than smokeyness during warmup, the things actually a beast! But after the Deere gets poached ill be getting either a Honda hht25slta or hht35slta. I'm certian the 25 would do everything I threw at it and then some but owning the big dog version (doesn't really matter what the subject is, just the top line of whatever) for ~$30 more is hard to pass on! They do weigh a bit though (25 is 13lb and 35 is 14.8).

    I'm talking all 4 cycles now, not just Honda.

    The extra weight and oil changing seem to be the only drawbacks of a true 4 cycle machine. Now lets look at the benefits. Much lower (its not even compatible really) emissions, better (again I've read some folks reporting 2-3 times less fuel usage), much quieter operation, less vibration, longer life span due to lower rpm's needed to extract the power from the tiny engines and a much better lubrication layout/system and last but not least is the massive torque advantage over two strokes.
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  3. cgaengineer

    cgaengineer LawnSite Fanatic
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    A 4 mix is still a "true four cycle", if not, please name the cycle it lacks.

    And even though a 4mix still burns oil, it still burns 1/2 as much as a two stroke. You also have wasted unburned fuel that exits exhaust on a 2 stroke due to its inefficiencies.
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  4. Nutsedge

    Nutsedge LawnSite Member
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    I completely agree with you. I'm not sure if your agreeing with me or not since you quoted my post and then said what I did in my post before the one you quoted?
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  5. Mustangl3

    Mustangl3 LawnSite Member
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    EPA is wasting its time with these little 2 stroke engines. The amount of emissions coming from commercial and commuter planes(being released directly into the atmosphere), as well as larger trucks is so large compared to lawn equipment is astronomical. I know all engines should be regulated in some way but at this point their time and money should be spent on other problems.

    How heavy are the 4 mix trimmers compared to 2 strokes? I've held a Honda 4 stroke recently and it was ridiculously heavy compared to my current trimmers
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  6. mikeypizano

    mikeypizano LawnSite Senior Member
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    Using mine today, as far as I can tell, the power band is pretty consistent in my opinion.
     
  7. cgaengineer

    cgaengineer LawnSite Fanatic
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    I use 130's not the lightest but they are very powerful.
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