wait a minute, my attorney happens to be a personal friend, and a very good lawyer. HE DID NOT ADVISE ME TO USE VERBAL CONTRACTS! I called to ask what i could do about this guy who was ducking me for 2 grass cuts, and i told him this one was not a written contract , he said that a verbal contract is a binding contract, and the guy still has to pay. so, anyway, if your thoery is correct, im takin my whole family out to red lobster friday night, and if they dont make me sign first, im not paying. shouldnt have a problem, right? thats what your telling me, right? it just seems such a pain in the ass, i have some customers that are such a quick mow wack and blow, and i have to write up a 2 page contract and cover every little scheme someone may try to bone me? theft is theft, and i think my examples are valid. i do use written contracts for full service customers, and landscape work, ill have to start using them for every little job i do.