Would a 3/4 or 1 ton truck be better?

Discussion in 'Trucks and Trailers' started by NYH1, Sep 23, 2013.

  1. TTS

    TTS LawnSite Senior Member
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    I agree with KTM, as someone pointed out there's very little difference in a 3/4 and 1 ton on most points but the GVW is what will get you. I think all the new 1 tons are right at or over 10k which starts playing in DOT land. 3/4 tons are under 10k so you're pretty much free to do as you wish. Technically if you're using it for personal use the DOT laws don't apply to you but a stickered truck is a stickered truck and it may not be worth the headache.

    It will all come down to your business needs vs your personal needs and how often you use it for each purpose. The 1 ton does add options for future growth with the business but the 3/4 ton would make less headaches for personal use.
     
  2. ducnut

    ducnut LawnSite Bronze Member
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    If it were me, regardless of 3/4T or 1T, I'd get a solid front axle. No matter how it's loaded, the alignment (specifically toe) will not change. That means a lot, when it comes to tire wear.

    I spec'd my former employer's shop trucks with 4.10 gears. My personal truck is 3.73, because that's the lowest I could get. I'd go 4.10s, every time. The OD transmissions of today's trucks allow one to run low gears and still get good gas mileage. I run my truck in 3rd, because in OD it constantly downshifts. The aforementioned shop trucks never downshifted and they were loaded way heavier than my stuff.

    I've been browsing the HD Rams, myself.
     
  3. NYH1

    NYH1 LawnSite Member
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    Yeah, I'm leaning towards a Ram. I know I can't compare my current Ram 1500 to any HD truck, however it's been a great truck. I leased it new, then bought it after the lease was up. With the Hemi, 5 sp. auto trans. w/ tow/hual mode and 3.92 gears, I've towed 7500 lbs. with no problem (that's 1000 lbs. under my max tow capacity). I can only imagine how much better a 3/4 or 1 ton would tow. Just being heavier altogether, having a heavier duty drivetrain, suspension, brakes ect.

    I do however have a GMC dealer about a half mile from the house and a Chevy dealer about two miles away. Plus, I do like them as a close second to the Rams. I do like the idea of a solid front axle on a plow truck. Just my opinion so far.

    Thanks again guys, NYH1.
     
  4. ducnut

    ducnut LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Don't be so hard on your truck. That thing is built way heavier than you think. I've been all over and under 1/2T Rams. They're stout. IMHO, Chevy and Ford don't compare in how heavy they're built. The Hemi is a great engine and gets decent mileage, driven properly.

    AFA Chevy goes, I'll never own another. The "all-new" '14 model is a rehash of the previous truck. Their HD line is nowhere near the stout build of the Ram or Ford. Do a lot of research on the high performance diesel forums. Yeah, they hot rod the crap out of anything, but, what I'd look at is what fails. Around here, it's steering components, transfer cases, and front differentials. Those are key components in your desire to plow with this truck. Dodge drivetrains just don't break.

    I know Ford's SD undercarriages, but, not much on their new powertrains. Even being a Ford guy, I'm not sure I can recommend their diesel, given all their past 6.0L issues. Their gas engine is a hog. I'm just not confident in their brand, anymore.
     
  5. JDGlandscape

    JDGlandscape LawnSite Senior Member
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    The newest ford powertrain is actually really, really good. I read lots of truck forums and this newest ford is the best by far that they have ever had. The actual failure rate and warranty claim rate is significantly lower than any of their past engines, the mighty 7.3 included.
     
  6. ducnut

    ducnut LawnSite Bronze Member
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    A friend just bought a new SD diesel and he says the same thing.

    Personally, I could never justify the diesel option, as I just don't pull heavy enough loads, frequent enough, to offset the increased initial cost. That's what had me looking at gas options. I have several friends/acquaintances that have Hemis and love them. I've driven and worked on one of their trucks, so I've seen how the trucks are built. If they ever come out with air ride on their HD line, I'd definitely go Ram. I have one friend with the 6.2L Ford and he's getting 12mpg, or less, empty. I just can't see owning something that thirsty. That puts me back to the Ram, even though I'm a Ford guy at heart. I'm not buying tomorrow, anyway, so I can continue to dream.
     
  7. TML

    TML LawnSite Senior Member
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    Most of the new 3500 trucks are at 10200 and 2500 around 9200. Where Im at anything over 10k and used in commerce needs to have company name and DOT#. I don't think it's costs anything to get a DOT # but just another thing to do and consider, it also puts you in the game if there is a good presence of DOT enforcement in your area. This is just starting to be enforced in my area. Many LCO with 1 ton dumps and trailers getting pulled over and being told to be in compliance with mostly warnings so far. Most including myself were unaware a basic 1 ton doing local work in state not involving hazmat needed to go through all that nonsense.
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  8. TML

    TML LawnSite Senior Member
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    I also work in a high tourist area and it is completely fine for a old couple driving a gargantuan motor home, dog in their lap, towing their car as well to drive around without any additional certification or compliance requirements. :)
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  9. Clippers PLS

    Clippers PLS LawnSite Bronze Member
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    I was always told if you need a 14ft trailer get a 18 ft trailer. I would assume the same for trucks. If you think you need a 3/4 ton. get the 1 ton
     
  10. NYH1

    NYH1 LawnSite Member
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    Yeah, that's kind of my way of thinking too. However, that's why I asked the question to begin with. Some have brought up the point that trucks with GVWR over 10,000 lbs. can run into the DOT regulations. I'll have to look into that. The last thing I want to do is play the DOT game again, had enough of that when I drove truck for a few years.

    Thanks, NYH1.
     

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