Yeah. Sure. I'll get right on it

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by DVS Hardscaper, Sep 21, 2013.

  1. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
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    Had done a follow up call with a lady whom I provided a proposal for.

    She was very nice, polite, etc.

    She says to me "we're going to go with someone else who is significantly less".

    So I politely start asking her if this other person is going to use geo-textile fabric. She says "no, he said he doesn't use it".

    I then proceed to politely explain the importance of using geo-textile fabric, I explain again, what it does, and I explain what can happen if not used. I then politely explain that when a contractor says they don't use it - that's a red flag.

    So she politely says to me "can you send me the name of the brand and model of geo-textile that you use?"

    LOL - ummm.......NO. CAll your trusty expert contractor that you hired.


    really, I bet they are having a relative or friend do the work.
     
  2. Stillwater

    Stillwater LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Sounds like my neighbor a fantastically wealthy man who is so tight with his money he squeaks when he walks.
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  3. wat5150

    wat5150 LawnSite Member
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    Hate that sh!t. Like your going to give advice to someone else taking a job away from you. People are incredibly dumb like that sometimes.
     
  4. alldayrj

    alldayrj LawnSite Gold Member
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    I've had multiple people ask for a material list, "you know, since you already figured it out, it will save me some time" so I doubled it and handed it over, enjoy!
     
  5. JimLewis

    JimLewis LawnSite Fanatic
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    I find a lot of the paver installers in our area don't use geotextile in their paver installs. I wouldn't be surprised if it was another local installer. In my area, that would be almost expected.

    Some people are just cheapskates. I don't even usually try to argue with them at all. If they want to go with someone else, I forget their name and move on. NEXT!!!!

    Some people just don't appreciate quality. And those people aren't my kind of customer. Fortunately, there are a LOT of people who DO appreciate it. So we stay plenty busy with those customers.
     
  6. big daddy b

    big daddy b LawnSite Member
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    We have never ever used fabric for any of our installs...I've never understood the reason why people use it either.
    Maybe it's the difference in geographical area, I don't know. We have never used it in the 8 years that I've worked for this company. Even on driveways or commercial applications. Architects and Engineers have never specified the material either. We get a lot of jobs where we have to use a specified material listed from an engineer or landscape architect over what we sometimes normally would use.
    So what is the purpose of the fabric? To keep the mud from leaching into the stone? Keep the materials separated?
    Normally we prep with about 6-12" of crusher run for our sub base depending on the application, pavers being used, and so on...then screed an inch of stone dust or concrete sand depending on what's specified.
    We either roll or tamp with a reversible plate tamper in lifts, and pre-tamp the dust before laying.
     
  7. JimLewis

    JimLewis LawnSite Fanatic
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  8. stebs

    stebs LawnSite Senior Member
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    Next time don't just do a straight doubling... some double, some triple, some multiply by fractions like 1.5 or 1.3 or 1.8.... keep em guessing. Then when they come back to you and say no wonder you were high, just say that you weren't going to hand over the actual one for free so you modified it a bit :laugh:
     
  9. alldayrj

    alldayrj LawnSite Gold Member
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    Not to start a geo debate, but why don't they use it under blacktop driveways etc? It's laid on the same base material
     
  10. jbailey52

    jbailey52 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    We use ego textile on every single project. That being said I don't feel it is always a necessity. I will say the typical "we installed walkways 10 years ago and still no problem" bla bla bla... But I do think it can help, and is a basic insurance policy. If I'm installing some stairs or a outdoor kitchen that is going to have a 1.25" thick sandstone top, I use several layers underneath. The first might be 10' past the bar... Then several inches of modified, then maybe the next ego is 4' past the bar, etc. It might just help me sleep better at night.
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