Ok guys lets leave ALL talk of brands out of this thread. This is strictly a financial and feasibility question. Let me set up the picture and the problem for you to help me with. Currently my CTL is getting up in age (2,300) hours, ive had some costly repairs done to the machine and also put a new set of tracks on it. As of now it runs great and works hard but if things continue to grow i will be putting 750-1000 hours on the machine per year. I cant see it going to much longer without needing more (expensive) work. As of now i have invested around $45,000 into this machine, have i recouped all that money? NO. But if i sell it for a reasonable rate it will be a wash, lesson learned. Im struggling with the decision of what to do next? do i.... 1) keep running this machine, and making the repairs as needed. 2) sell it and put that money down on a new machine ($60,000) 3) change routes and look at diffrent machines (explanation follows) Im starting to doubt the feasibility of owning a CTL. Yes the machines are great, yes they work hard, yes they make hard jobs seem easy. But take a quick minute to analyze the numbers associated with owning one, $64,000- machine plus 6% tax $8,000- 5 year 5,000 hour warranty $8,900- interest paid over a 60 month loan at 3.9% $7,500- 3 sets of off brand tracks $3,000- oil changes, belts, filters (very basic) $3,000- repairs not covered under power train/hydro warranty (guess) very basic cost of ownership for 5 years comes to $ 94,400 from that lets say we sell the machine at auction for $10,000 TOTAL COST- $84,400.00 cost per year- $16,800.00 cost per month- $1406.00 Now this is running a machine for 5,000 hours! that's a lot of hours i know but if i get a warranty the major failures will be covered. The longer i run it the more time i have to recoup my money. But look at that number, almost a hundred grand to own a machine for five years. my main problem with that is after the five years that machine is WORTHLESS. Its blown out, wore out and ready for the scrap pile. These machine are not like wheel loaders that can run for 15,000 hours and have a major overhaul and run for another 15,000. To do a major overhaul on a CTL just wouldn't be feasible. Im looking at getting a wheel skid steer and buying vts tracks for it. I dont need tracks all the time. I would say 1/3 of the time i could get by with out them. And for the times they are a must i will use the vts. In addition to this machine i would buy a older wheel loader to do "production" work with. i.e hogging dirt, moving dirt, back filling, moving stone and rock. This machine will make short work of all those tasks. Working together the skid wont "rack up" hours and be worked "hard" it will live a easy life. In addition to this both machines could be used in the winter for snow removal that will surely bring in extra cash flow in the winter months. A CTL basically will sit almost all winter. what do you guys think, is it worth it? what direction looks right?