I'm looking for some feedback on the tanks. I got a quote today of $7400 for a new M60 Tank with 28hp EFI Kohler and $7550 for new M60 with a 29hp DFI liquid cooled Kawasaki, they are both Wide Track models also. I'm not really in the market for a rider, but deals like that are hard to pass up. I've not had any experience with the Cubs, I've used about everything else, Exmark, Scag, Grasshopper, etc., Just wondering if they measure up to these other brands. Any of you guys who have ran them or are currently using them, I would appreciate your feedback.
Cub Cadet M60 Tanks/Opinions Please
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This might be stupid...but why don't each of you guys just go mic the steel used on the forks of each mower? If you want to dumb it down, use measuring tape even....
I'd comment on how lesco's cut, but the dealer won't let anyone demo them, even on the property...and the reps that said they'd look into it never did. Could be the best mower in the world but thats enough to ruin it for me.
I'd comment on how lesco's cut, but the dealer won't let anyone demo them, even on the property...and the reps that said they'd look into it never did. Could be the best mower in the world but thats enough to ruin it for me.
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Hell I can't find anything with this stupid search engine, so I'll probably end up having to go get all the specs off mine again anyways if it comes to that.kc2006 said:
As far as the forks go though, I've never damaged MUCH thinner ones than either of these mowers have.
As far as the cut is concerned, overall it's better than either of the previous eXmark decks on my properties. That's what eats me up the most if you want to know the truth about it.
I have a 60" Cub Tank with a 28hp kohler efi widetrack. I really like the mower. That is is a pretty good price on the mower. I purchased my mower in glasgow at Vance Outdoor Power Equipment. You might want to give them a call and check their prices. If you call, ask for Patrick and tell him that Roger Hammons referred you. If you would like to test drive one, you are more than welcome to come by and drive mine at Barbourville. You can call me at 606-595-0110 if you are interested. Thanks and good luck. Roger
When I posted this thread I was basically wanting some feedback on the cut quality and performance in extreme mowing conditions and some price comparisons from guys in different areas,(thanks for your replies), that's two of the main concerns I have when looking at a mower, Price and cut quality. It was never a question of how well the Tanks were built for me, I've used some of the top brand ZTR's, Exmark Lazer, Scag Turf Tiger and and Grasshopper, I've looked the Tanks over really well and I can honestly say they are built, well like a Tank, the same, if not better built than the brands mentioned above, but I I've not had the chance to put one in the field yet, which is my only concern as I stated above. Some of the things that stand out to me on these new wide track models is they have an improved ground speed this year of 12 mph and the low center of gravity and wide wheel base, I think their wheel base is like 57" or 58" which is only a couple of inches narrower than the 60" deck, which I like because I have alot of hills here to mow.
I've realized over the last couple of years that the more this business grows the more competitive the manufactures are going to get and have really started putting some thought behind the design of these mowers. Every year most of these brands are getting better and better and for that reason I'll never say that I'll stick with one brand forever, I will go with whatever provides me the best performance and service for the best price, whatever brand that might be. Thanks
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Good for you. I think you will be nothing but pleased with the mower without question. The cut quality really is second to none. But not only that, it is second to none on anything you want to cut with it. All types of grass, wet or dry, tall, weedy spots, everything.... it's doesn't discriminate, it cuts everything well. Like I have said before, almost anything can leave a decent cut after two or three passes at reduced speed. But for me, I got real sick of that FAST with the eXmark. The Lesco put an end to that for me, which means more money per hour and less cutting hours for me. Plus the cost effectiveness of the unit also increases what I clear an hour. So for me, it ain' even close...ccll said:
Mine is fast too. Not sure how fast exactly, but likely around 12mph with the tires aired up. But my properties are often bouncy, so I never need all the speed and I run lower pressures for a softer ride.
Like I said also, it is really good on hills for a ZTR and mine is not even the wide track. Lesco doesn't offer that option yet, while all the Cubs feature it now. So I would guess the Lesco's will get the treatment soon too. But I'm currently looking at converting mine over just to see what the difference is.
For me, there are also a lot of other neat little features that are well thought out and stand out to me. Things like the cooled hydro system, superior belt routing, high quality belts, cast pulleys, Timken tapered roller bearings instead of lesser stuff, a TON more blade overlap under the deck, deck stays clean, almost everything has a grease fitting, short wheelbase, more compact actual size, comfortable seat with adjusting back standard, fantastic deck mounting, super easy fine deck adjustments, no chains to deal with, deck doesn't bounce around at speed, and the list goes on...
Just all the little things you come to appreciate after owning other mowers and switching to these....
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Yeah, I didn't even consider the price when I bought mine. I had always refrained from that. The only thing I have ever considered, and was considering at the time was long term cost effectiveness, and basically I was considering spending more on a diesel to achieve that.ccll said:
What happened was that nothing else was working out like it should, local Cub dealers included. So I finally got fed up with it all and went to demo the Lesco. I wrote the check and brought a new one home that day.
At the time, I was looking at mowers all the way up to $14,000. But in the end, after buying and running the numbers, the only way I could have had any chance to be more cost effective would have been to buy an efficent diesel, run off-road or biodiesel to save on fuel and keep the mower long term.
So in the end, I feel stupid for not having considered the lower price to begin with. Heck they wanted $9,199 plus tax from a repeat buyer for a comparable eXmark. Another wanted $8,199 plus tax for a comparable Hustler... ect.
With the EFI and DFI L/C units, in most areas you would not touch another brand with either engine for under $10,000+ so you are saving thousands in overhead without giving up ANYTHING.
As long as this is the case, I can't see where you, I or anyone else can go wrong...
I paid 7000.00 for my 2 60's, think they sell for 7399.00 now, probably could still get one for 7000.00 though. As far a cuts, here is a link to some of mine.ccll said:
http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=69972
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I think alot of people dont give the cub a chance because its MTD, i have had my tank m54 24 hp honda for 3 seasons now its never once broke down on me. i ran my tank side by side with my friends exmark 60" not sure of the model for 9 days of cutting the cut quality isnt even close even when the exmark double cut it still was not as clean as the cubs first pass. i think exmark is way hyped up even on this site when someone asks about a mower the first responce is exmark buy exmark! i think most of these comments come from people who have never owned or operated anything but exmark i wouldnt spend my money on one. last year i bought a JD777 nice mower i used the JD and kept the tank for a back up, but this year i sold the JD and going back to using my cub. i have owned and used about every brand of mower i think for the price, reliability, quality of cut you cant go wrong with the cub/lesco.
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this mower is built as good and if not better than a lot of the others out there; you will not go wrong with this mower; great features and the best cut ive seen yet; and well you want to mow right after a rain go ahead dont bother it much; cub commercial is going to make a believer out of some of the others out there if they keep on going the way they are;
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Wow, really well put...wissel_landscaping said:
That's about the way I feel, and thats because that is the same thing I am seeing. Now don't get me wrong, the eXmark is a good piece, and it certainly has it's place. Also, OBVIOUSLY eXmark is better and I would much rather have one of them than most others. But that's where it ends for me. Overall they are just a top 5 machine to me.
I think the eXmarks are good enough machines that I was excited about the new Triton deck and I was one of the first to run out to have a look at one. But this brings me to my next point...
Yes, as I have said, I feel they have the mower to beat right now. But of course there are new models being released from eXmark and Hustler for 2006. Frankly both look like they could have great potential.jason_2005lawnman said:
However, now that this Lesco has made me a bit wiser, here are my thoughts... Let's take the new eXmarks for example. Everything looks much the same except some changes to the deck. So that is the sole catagory the new Lazer Z has a chance at making an advance on Cub/Lesco in my opinion.
In that catagory I really can see very little room for ANY improvement over the Command Cut Deck. I mean how much more can you really expect out of a cutting deck beyond it's performance? In both mulching and side discharge modes this deck performs flawlessly or near flawless cutting nearly anything and everything you can throw at it in any condition.
I'm not saying it can't be topped slightly in say one specific area or whatever. In my mind there is always some room to improve or way to improve....
But the arguement of my new-found wisdom is this....
What could this new eXmark possibly do for me over the life of the mower to make up for the $3,100 price differential???
Same goes for the Hustler too except he differential is $2,000.
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Cost comparison based last year's cost for the previous models plus 7% sales tax.
check lescos sight for prices i'm sure they are still around 6K for the 60" w/25 hp kawi - i think lesco can sell cheaper because they are a fertilzer store that sells equipment too - they don't need the mark up that guy's who depend on selling equipment and only equipment do - mine is right next to a hydro shop and a kawisaki engine repair place though so i'm not worried about service - mine cuts great - wet - unless it's rediculous - dry - mulches great - i'm looking at their walk behinds to replace my 12 year old cub commercial - cause it's cheaper
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I've been watching the Cub Cadets for a while and personally I would not even consider one before this year. Because I just like for all the bugs to get worked out. I saw some of the early models that did not hold up at all. But if I was in the market I would definately demo one and consider it over a new Exmark, or Grasshopper. I guess the one question I waould ask has anyone put 3000 hrs on one yet? How did the hydros' hold up, engine etc ? That;s what I got on my Exmark, and G hopper. My Exmark is still looking and running good after 5 yrs too.
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Ive got 3 Xmarks the newest one is 4 years old now and just bought a Cub caded tank 54", My oldest 60 inch Lazer has 2500 hours and I've replaced the engine once and changed out all the deck bearings 3 times and any other bearing that went bad on it, and they "xmarks" are running as good as new, because i spend a painfully large amount of money on them every year to keep them in good shape. The Cub Cadet got my business this year because of their 3 year warranty and nice low price oh and i forgot " three years no interest financing". I also like the tapered bearings in the deck spindles I'm hoping that these tapered bearing will last longer than the one on my xmarks because this is the one thing that seems to fail on my xmarks. But one things seems to be a little bit week about the Cub Cadet 54 tank. As far as Mulching leave go the Lazer is better at completely mulching the leave into the lawn I'm not sure why but the deck depth and mulching blade design seem better on the Lazers for mulching, i will have to wait till the grass starts growing to know if the Cub Cadet mulches grass as completely as the Xmarks. But im not worried about the dependability of the Cub with such a great warranty " 3 years" Xmark never offered such a warranty to me.
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I have 1500+ on my 2001 60" Lazer. Original bearings. Engines are engines...cant blame eXmark for the engine going. There have been some arguments about tapered vs. ball. But I'm all for something that lasts.Supertiger said:
Exmark doesn't HAVE to offer you a big warranty. They're selling just fine as is. Cub has to do things to get market share. One is lowering their prices rediculously low, the other is offering a longer warranty.Supertiger said:
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What kind of conditions are you mowing in? I have only 1 Exmark Lazer Z and it has never lost a deck bearing and has 3300 plus hrs on it. I mow in sandy conditions but we do have well irrigated lawns. I don't mow dry dusty lawns maybe this is why mine has lasted so long. Plus I blow it off daily with the air compressor any dust sand dirt debris etc. Plus mine is a 2000 model which was a good yr for Lazers I guess.Supertiger said:
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Hey... what was the suspension seat travel (up/down) like on that Cub?MJB said:
I like this seat they have on them as far as standard seat comfort.
I'm thinking since the suspension seat is the same, but with suspension it would be nice.
But I have also seen some seats out there that only had like an inch or two of travel.
While some suspension is better than none, I don't want to invest in one if they are not as good as the others... as in the type like Hustler and all the rest use.
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