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i am looking at a job to install a driveway on the side of a pretty steep hill. there will be a couple switchbacks involved going from the road down to the parking area. i was thinking about using a track loader with a blade attachment to cut in the rough grade. i was wondering what is the max slope that is safe to side slope a track loader? any info would be appreciated.
thanks,
metin
 
Not sure what kind of soil you have but it sounds as though you need a real dozer, maybe a D3 or 4. The track machines are great but I can't see one actually cutting in a road from scratch. It might work, but your going to have to take very small bites and your time could be cut in half if not more with a dozer.
 
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i had thought about a dozer. the ground is mostly loose soil, very soft. i was concerned that a dozer might have a tendancy to slide with the extra weight. also access to the area where it is at is pretty tough. i will have to park the trailer about a mile from where the work is. very curvy gravel forest roads. a house is not going to be built there. the land is used for a few guys to go hunting. they just would like to be able to pull their trucks off the road to where they will be out of sight. i appreciate the replies.
metin
 
Your better off with a excavator mini or fullsize don't bother fooling around with a bulldozer or trackloader your way too limited. A 160 sized excavator could cut a decent road in a day even a 161 Kubota size machine can cut a road in easy.

We have some steep driveways here and I mean steep the one next to my place is so steep when they were building it they needed to lower the dump trucks down with a dozer. Another driveway I worked on was so steep the excavator wouldn't sit without sliding.

When your cutting into a bank or a hillside that is soft you need to cut in a good distance it should be minimum 10' wide it should be 14' wide. You will need to make sure the edge doesn't sluff off. You will need to get on the upperside of the slope and pull the material back and bench it.

Without pictures to see what your dealing with is hard to give you any ideas but like I said we have some of the worst driveways you can imagine here. Even concrete'ed tires will spin because its too slippery one guy I know has a driveway that is concrete is so steep he needs 4wheeldrive to climb it.
 
Discussion starter · #6 ·
gravel rat,
the excavator with a grading blade was my other option. i am leaning more that way the more i think about it. just don't have a lot of experiance with track loaders and wanted to see if that might be an option. i'll probably stick to the tried and true method. also, if you are still missing your old idi ford mine is for sale. runs like a top.
take care,
metin
 
tnmtn said:
i am looking at a job to install a driveway on the side of a pretty steep hill. there will be a couple switchbacks involved going from the road down to the parking area. i was thinking about using a track loader with a blade attachment to cut in the rough grade. i was wondering what is the max slope that is safe to side slope a track loader? any info would be appreciated.
thanks,
metin
Go to www.skidsteer.com

John Deere has an excellent video on that site comparing all track loaders on side slopes. It may help you decide if a track unit will work for you.
 
JDSKIDSTEER said:
Go to www.skidsteer.com

John Deere has an excellent video on that site comparing all track loaders on side slopes. It may help you decide if a track unit will work for you.
I don't believe that video for a minute. I know that people who are not used to pilot controls have a harder time going in a straight line, but how do we know the operator wasn't monkeying around a little to make the deer look better.

:nono:
 
I don't want to start a "flame war" over machine preference (we've beat that horse in this forum), but there are a couple of things that come to mind:
1. Videos can be very biased and subjective
2. Having sold Bobcat against JD before and knowing that skid steers have a rear weighted disposition, how can any track loader that is adapted directly from a skid steer (undercarriage just bolted on) have a true track-loader weight distribution? Example- If the bobcat skid steer has a distribution of 30-70% and I put it on tracks- isn't the chassis weight distribution still almost 30-70? I know JD is about 40-60% so isn't most of the weight on their CTLs still more toward the rear?

I've haven't seen too many JD CTLs up here in WI yet, but with everyone getting into the game I'm sure they'll sell some. The Deere dealer has a pretty good rep so that will help. Since you sell them, what is the warranty on their tracks both new and replacement? I know they're using the Bridgestone's like Bobcat does. Good luck selling and thanks for the info.
 
This year, I traded my 320 rubber tire JD skidsteer for a JD322 CTL and the difference was like night and day....I went on hills I never would have navigated with my rubber tire machine. I don't think this was a simple "bolting of undercarriage" onto a skidsteer frame. I don't mean to answer for the JD dealer, just share my own "real world" experience. I have been MUCH more productive with the track machine than I was with teh rubber tire machine.
 
Digdeep said:
I don't want to start a "flame war" over machine preference (we've beat that horse in this forum), but there are a couple of things that come to mind:
1. Videos can be very biased and subjective
2. Having sold Bobcat against JD before and knowing that skid steers have a rear weighted disposition, how can any track loader that is adapted directly from a skid steer (undercarriage just bolted on) have a true track-loader weight distribution? Example- If the bobcat skid steer has a distribution of 30-70% and I put it on tracks- isn't the chassis weight distribution still almost 30-70? I know JD is about 40-60% so isn't most of the weight on their CTLs still more toward the rear?

I've haven't seen too many JD CTLs up here in WI yet, but with everyone getting into the game I'm sure they'll sell some. The Deere dealer has a pretty good rep so that will help. Since you sell them, what is the warranty on their tracks both new and replacement? I know they're using the Bridgestone's like Bobcat does. Good luck selling and thanks for the info.
The Deere track system is not a bolt on unit and has a true planetary drive system and the booms and frames are reinforced to take the added stress. I pre sell with the video and close with the on site demo. I prefer to have my competitions machine on site. As for warranty on tracks I have not had to address this issue. I do tell my customer that they are rubber and if not used properly will as all of my competitors wear prematurely.
 
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if i went the track loader-dozer blade route it was just to get things leveled out enough to get my backhoe in there. the slope is at the edge of comfort for the tlb. the trees that were in the way were not real big and won't be a problem for the tlb. it isn't going to be heavy dozer work. may end up using the backhoe bucket to level off the bad spots and do the whole thing with the tlb. it pushes suprising well with a blade.
thanks,
metin
 
We have 257B Caterpillars and run a Bradco 6-1 blade. They are rated for 3-1 side slopes however, we regularly run 2-1's, you can see on the 4th page of our website.

How about bringing a JD out to play up on Mt Helix or Mt Laguna someday? Send your best operator I would love to see for myself what those machines have with someone who was useed to running them. If they are like every other rigid frame machine we have tried, they will walk down the slope while they push. On the plus side, a rigid frame will keep the blade more even, but that's only assuming they would stick to the slope.

You're right about a rear heavy machine in certain respects. That's why you would typically counter weight the blade if the front/back ratio is to far apart. Once you do that, any machine will track better on the side slope application. The way you prove this is take your pallet forks, load a skid full of Keystone, strap it to the gaurd, then drive sideways along any slope. Then try it with the forks empty. You'll be lucky if you don't run a 45° angle to the toe as soon as you engage the drives.
 
You guys must have some of the softest ground I have ever seen we rarely have that problem on the West Coast too much hard rock under the 12 inches of soil on top.
 
we had to bring in the mini and dig all around it and the mini almost got stuck in the slop. Took 4 1/2hrs

Over all the machine is a strong runner, just not that deep! We got it stuck twice yesterday not so bad though. You could kind of see the track:laugh:
 
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