Lawn Care Forum banner
1 - 19 of 19 Posts

tacoma200

· Registered
Joined
·
5,477 Posts
Discussion starter · #1 ·
Well I put 50 hrs on my new Turf Tiger without getting on the Lazer. I've had another guy running it. I decided to get back on it yesterday. First of all this area doesn't have the best turf and most home owners don't seem to care. Plenty of clover, dandelions, and other weeds mixed in with fescue. Well after cutting a few strips with the old Ultra Cut I looked back and the words out of my mouth were WOW! After all the years I've run the Ultra Cut I'm still amazed at how crisp and smooth the cut is. Just unbelievable. I haven't been on it since last fall and have been using the new Scag with the Velocity deck. I've been mowing with the Scag/Velocity combination all year so far and the smoother cut on the same lots really took me by surprise because the Scag cut is pretty good. Am I sorry I bought the Turf Tiger and Velocity deck. Absolutely not! They are just different decks that have a different approach to getting the job done. I will try to make this review as unbiased as possible. I own both and have no reason to favor one over the other.
First of all on very thick overgrown lawns or wet lawns I would grab the Scag in a heartbeat. The design of the deck is such that it can move vast amounts of grass and still leave a very good cut with out clogging and clumping. And since I have a lot of bi-weeklys this is what I need. I have the 31 Briggs and I can approach a lot of any type overgrown, wet, weedy, etc and know I will leave with a good cut and get the job done. The Exmark Ultra Cut on the other hand will leave the average well maintained lot or even a very weedy lot with a finish that is as smooth as a putting green and cut the clippings so small they will usually disappear into the turf. The Velocity deck puts out a gentle fan like discharge and has yet to clump this year even in the rain. On the other hand the Ultra Cut blows a rooster tail (compare to a snow blower) 3 deck withs and scatters the clippings very well also. The clippings on the velocity are always longer but well dispersed.
If you go across a drive way that has a lot of clippings the Velocity will scatter them with blow out in front and its not very good at sweeping a drive way. The Ultra Cut is much like a blower and will send every blade of grass on a drive very powerfully in a single direction with no blow out.
This is just a general observation and I will add more too it later. But bottom line is that the Ultra Cut is definitely a smoother cut but the Scag Velocity is very versatile and can handle some big jobs that would be tough for the Ultra Cut. There is just so much grass the Ultra Cut can move.
Also the Lazer has super fast hydraulics compared to the Turf Tiger. It will trim much closer to an object such as going around a small tree or mowing in a corner. The lazer scalps less and will approach a slope head on with out bottoming out like the Scag. The Scag has stiffer controls but is much easier to make a strait stripe on large area's. More later.
 
This is really valuable information for me. I am going to buy either an ultra cut
lazer Hp or maybe a lazer Z OR a scag wildcat maybe. I have a friend that works in the distribution chain for Exmark and can get a Lazer Z with the 27hp Kohler 66" deck for $9000.00 which seems like a great price. I really want the efi though. Or a Lazer hp 20hp Kohler 50" deck for 7000.00 seems a little under powered though. Unfortunately those are the only 2 he can get a discount on right now. Then there is the scag, I found out a wildcat with a 52"deck would run me $9500.00 but Scag's financing is horrible right now.
Reading this info and all the info I see on these is very beneficial but still makes my decision no easier. I can really see where I could get a lot of use out of either one of those. Ultimately I need something that will perform in a wide range of conditions including at least 3 or 4 months of wetter grass (fall, spring) I will keep reading your posts with interest.

Jeff
 
Discussion starter · #3 ·
Well I was in a bit of a hurry on the first post. I must say there are things the Tiger can do that the Exmark just couldn't. Mowing across very steep slopes is an area that the Scag excels in. I will run across slopes that look as if they are suited for only a walk behind. The worst thing about the Turf Tiger so far is that the back of the mower extends out further than most mowers and the pulley on the bottom back hangs. You have to approach a steep slope at an angle and I had to raise the ball on my truck to keep it from dragging on the trailer gate. I have been stuck a couple of times in places where the Exmark had no problem. In thicker better quality turf the Tiger is very close to the Exmark in cut. It's only on thin poorer quality turf that the superior cut of the Exmark stands out. The Exmark doesn't care if its good turf or bad, the cut is always dependable. But my stripes are straiter with the Turf Tiger. It feels like it has a longer wheel base but this may not be true. It may just be the extra dampening on the handles that makes it easy to drive in a strait line. All and all both great machines that I plan on keeping for a long time. Maybe this info will save some of you some time. I also notice going around landscaping corners if you try to trim very close on the Tiger the back tire will end up running on the landscape while the Lazer will let you mow closer around tight corners. The frame and general build of the Tiger seems heavier and stronger.
 
Iam noticing huge fuel savings with my efi 29 kawi over my other 25 hp Kawi's I mean a 1 year old Ferris 61" is3000 25hp is using 7 gallons of fuel a day and the scag TT is using 4 gallons a day they are used all day on the same properties same amount of time. So in a nut shell iam happy with my $10 savings on fuel the scag is giving me.
 
Outstanding post as usual Tacoma!

You are always as unbiased as a human can get, which makes you one of the few reliable posters. You had every reason to look at your Tiger with rose colored glasses, yet you remained fair.

I am enjoying my 60" TT and find the cut to be beautiful so far. The high growth conditions will show themselves next week, which will prove to be a test for it.

Keep up the good work.
 
Well I was in a bit of a hurry on the first post. I must say there are things the Tiger can do that the Exmark just couldn't. Mowing across very steep slopes is an area that the Scag excels in. I will run across slopes that look as if they are suited for only a walk behind. The worst thing about the Turf Tiger so far is that the back of the mower extends out further than most mowers and the pulley on the bottom back hangs. You have to approach a steep slope at an angle and I had to raise the ball on my truck to keep it from dragging on the trailer gate. I have been stuck a couple of times in places where the Exmark had no problem. In thicker better quality turf the Tiger is very close to the Exmark in cut. It's only on thin poorer quality turf that the superior cut of the Exmark stands out. The Exmark doesn't care if its good turf or bad, the cut is always dependable. But my stripes are straiter with the Turf Tiger. It feels like it has a longer wheel base but this may not be true. It may just be the extra dampening on the handles that makes it easy to drive in a strait line. All and all both great machines that I plan on keeping for a long time. Maybe this info will save some of you some time. I also notice going around landscaping corners if you try to trim very close on the Tiger the back tire will end up running on the landscape while the Lazer will let you mow closer around tight corners. The frame and general build of the Tiger seems heavier and stronger.
I completely agree about the thick/thin grass and the Tiger. I have the Advantage and Velocity decks and neither do well on spindly weeds or thin stuff come the dry months. I've slowed down, used many combinations of blades, covered the discharge chute, changed the pulley on the output gearbox for more blade tip speed, and altered direction of cut. Nothing has worked, except for more rain to revigorate the growth. I finally gave up and just live with it. The new deck is a little better though. Still not perfect, but better. As Tacoma said, the eXmark had a very nice cut.
In thick or tall grass both Scag decks really shine. Regular blades over high lifts here will keep more power on tap. It almost seems as though Scag specifically designed the decks for this scenario. They're great!

I don't know about the longer wheelbase, but I would bet the center of gravity is lower. There is a big difference between the older and newer Tigers. I know it's only a few inches, but it feels like a foot. When I'm on the 2001 I feel like I'm in a kid's highchair. The new one, like an Indy car.
I would imagine that the gas tank being centered and lower in the machine also helps. I can't see the advantage of having 80lbs+ up high over the wheels on a ZTR. I'm sure engineers thought of this, but my Scag held basin walls better than the eXmark I demoed.

HA! :laugh: I rip up more turf with that left rear wheel than a monster truck rally! But that's operator error. I can't fault the machine for that. If I would slow my butt down I wouldn't have many of the "problems" I create.

Agreed also on the straight lines being easier with the Tiger. The heavier dampening helps to keep you from over correcting. I demoed eXmark and Ferris after using Scag for years. You guys would have pizzed your pants seeing me ping-pong off the trailer for the first time with those machines. Needless to say, a drunk could have mowed straighter than I did for the first half hour. But in the in the spirit of Tacoma's fairness, it's all what you're used to. I got better with time on the other machines. Once you run it for a while, muscle memory will take over and you'll be fine. I just happen to like the rest of Scag's quality and features, and there is where I stayed.

As far as the pulley in the back Tacoma,
With my 2001 Tiger I mowed a rowed cornfield (no big stalks...this time) overgrown with head height grass. I did manage to get some stuff up in there. Maybe because it hangs out there... maybe not. Again, I cannot fault the machine for this. I was using it for what it was not designed to do. I think if I need to do this again I will make a shield to completely cover that entire area. Another time I was cutting waist high weeds/grass, and some of it got wrapped around the gearbox seal at the drive shaft. For 2001 they didn't have a cover over the cup seal. Ripped the snot out of it... I had to pull the gearbox and rebuild it to replace the seal. Maybe there I can hang a little blame on Scag, but it was more mine than theirs for me being where I possibly shouldn't have been. But overall the machine is no worse for wear because it's built like a tank. I still use the old machine for this type of work as I can't bring myself to dirty up the new "Indy Car". :)

It's a lot nicer scraping the new deck than the old. There's less plates and ridges under there.
What a great machine...

A
 
Discussion starter · #7 ·
Yes both mowers have advantages and it's really amazing to watch the Scag Velocity plus go through the heaviest grass and never offer to clump. It moves more grass than anything I've seen. After 40+ hours on the Scag it took awhile to get used to the sticks on the Exmark. I see why some think they are jerky when in fact they have very little dampening and the hydraulic response is just plain fast. It's all what you get used to because I dogged the Scags for the heavy dampening for years but now I don't pay any attention to them unless I just got off the Lazer. Both great mowers. I'm very happy with the combination.
 
I am curious what you all think about the "hurricane" mulching deck set up.
How easy is it to install/take off, how well does it cut in all grass, including wet and dry? I am starting to tilt back to the Scag again, this time maybe for good. I am just not real thrilled with their financing options right now. By the way, which seat is the most comfortable with the sacg? I really liked those on the Exmark that you pointed out Tacoma, to bad I couldn't get one of those puppies for the Scag.:laugh:
 
Discussion starter · #9 ·
I am curious what you all think about the "hurricane" mulching deck set up.
How easy is it to install/take off, how well does it cut in all grass, including wet and dry? I am starting to tilt back to the Scag again, this time maybe for good. I am just not real thrilled with their financing options right now. By the way, which seat is the most comfortable with the sacg? I really liked those on the Exmark that you pointed out Tacoma, to bad I couldn't get one of those puppies for the Scag.:laugh:
I'm not familiar with the mulching system except that I have heard it is not that easy to install on the Velocity deck (just hearsay, no actual experience). I'm still waiting on my full suspension seat for the Scag but I know it is the same one that Exmark and Hustler uses and it is comfortable on them. The seat is made by Michigan Seat. To be honest the standard high back Scag seat is not bad at all. I'll let you know if my distributor gets it in how it preforms. Not sure why it's taking so long but I'm using their seat for free right now. Wish I could help more. The Scag and Exmark both have such strong points it would be hard to go wrong with either. I like them both. I am using the Scag more right now, it likes the rough stuff but pull the Exmark off on certain lawns. I have a helper that agrees the Lazer is a smoother cut but it just can't handle the super thick grass as well. Nobody mulches here. If you've seen some of the stuff I cut you can see why. This fescue turns into a sloppy mess by mid spring with the consistency of cow manure and super glue combined. What a mess. I do a lot of scraping on the Ultra Cut during that time, it's kind of dry now so I'm not sure how the Velocity will do when the spring growth really kicks in with a few rains.
 
Outstanding post as usual Tacoma!

You are always as unbiased as a human can get, which makes you one of the few reliable posters. You had every reason to look at your Tiger with rose colored glasses, yet you remained fair.

Keep up the good work.
I agree, Tacoma's "review" posts are always entertaing and very educational.

You gotta do more of them, lol:laugh:
 
Good posts. As someone that made the same move I back you up on all accounts. I like my scag for the reasons you mentioned but agree 100% on the exmarks flawless cut. I hated the lazer's controls. The Lazer IMO rode horribly compared to the scag on rough lots. The lower scag also gets under tree limbs easier. The cut on the scag isn't bad though. You stated that in your posts clearly. I just don't want people to walk away thinking that the velocity isnt' up to the task. :)

-TAZ
 
Discussion starter · #12 ·
Good posts. As someone that made the same move I back you up on all accounts. I like my scag for the reasons you mentioned but agree 100% on the exmarks flawless cut. I hated the lazer's controls. The Lazer IMO rode horribly compared to the scag on rough lots. The lower scag also gets under tree limbs easier. The cut on the scag isn't bad though. You stated that in your posts clearly. I just don't want people to walk away thinking that the velocity isnt' up to the task. :)

-TAZ
The Velocity Plus is amazing in what it can do, I agree.
 
Discussion starter · #13 ·
Good posts. As someone that made the same move I back you up on all accounts. I like my scag for the reasons you mentioned but agree 100% on the exmarks flawless cut. I hated the lazer's controls. The Lazer IMO rode horribly compared to the scag on rough lots. The lower scag also gets under tree limbs easier. The cut on the scag isn't bad though. You stated that in your posts clearly. I just don't want people to walk away thinking that the velocity isnt' up to the task. :)

-TAZ
And the Scag does handle rough lots better, even with standard high back seat. I've got a suspension seat that's on the way but I'm not sure I'll like it better. Some lots the Velocity cut looks better, it all depends on the conditions. Like I've said on very thick lots that are over grown the Ultra Cut struggles a little trying to chop all that grass into small pieces and send them out while the Velocity design will move much larger volumes of grass. The opening on the deck of the Velocity fans the grass out very well while the Exmark sends them further in a high arch without the guard in place. I'm using the Scag more here because conditions are usually less than perfect.
 
I am curious what you all think about the "hurricane" mulching deck set up.
How easy is it to install/take off, how well does it cut in all grass, including wet and dry? I am starting to tilt back to the Scag again, this time maybe for good. I am just not real thrilled with their financing options right now. By the way, which seat is the most comfortable with the sacg? I really liked those on the Exmark that you pointed out Tacoma, to bad I couldn't get one of those puppies for the Scag.:laugh:
I do not own the entire kit. I opted for just the discharge close off plate like I did with the Advantage deck.

For me, it does not work very well with the Velocity. It worked great with the old deck so I thought I would give it go on the new design. Well, it's a no go. I get clumps and no matter what I do it will leave a trail on the discharge side. I will go out on a limb and guess that there's too much airflow with the new design and this will not let me get away with it. It's shoving everything over to the discharge and it can't handle it all.
Hey, I had to give it shot. Try it with your grass and maybe it might work for you. :)
I don't mulch much at all so more than likely I will not invest in the rest of the kit for this machine. It will still work for the little that I do.

As far as the seat, it's great! Just set it for your weight and you're done. If you cruise over bumpy terrain you can feel it working. It bobs up and down and soaks up the shock. On ground where I ran the older Scag, I needed a kidney belt at full speed. Now I can go faster and don't feel much, if anything. It's worth every penny to me.

A
 
Originally Posted by Shady Brook
Outstanding post as usual Tacoma!

You are always as unbiased as a human can get, which makes you one of the few reliable posters. You had every reason to look at your Tiger with rose colored glasses, yet you remained fair.

Keep up the good work.

I agree, Tacoma's "review" posts are always entertaing and very educational
.

If you wouldn't mind Tacoma, How did the Hustler's controls response compare to the Skag and Exmark?? We all know of your experience with the cut quality of the Hustler. I'm located in Florida so I wouldn't have the issues you had with the finer northern turf grass. Share some of your experiences with us! IMO the feel of all three are quite different.
 
I wish Tacoma would get ahold of and demo an updated Triton, since everyone seems to be still pretty quiet about it.
 
Discussion starter · #19 ·
Originally Posted by Shady Brook
Outstanding post as usual Tacoma!

You are always as unbiased as a human can get, which makes you one of the few reliable posters. You had every reason to look at your Tiger with rose colored glasses, yet you remained fair.

Keep up the good work.

I agree, Tacoma's "review" posts are always entertaing and very educational
.

If you wouldn't mind Tacoma, How did the Hustler's controls response compare to the Skag and Exmark?? We all know of your experience with the cut quality of the Hustler. I'm located in Florida so I wouldn't have the issues you had with the finer northern turf grass. Share some of your experiences with us! IMO the feel of all three are quite different.
The Hustler handled great. The controls had light dampening. The response was not as fast as the Lazer but I would say smoother. It's been several months since I was on the Super Z but it was a very smooth machine. I hated giving it up but the cut problems were scaring me. No you shouldn't have a problem in your area. The Super Z was a good of a handling mower as I've ever been on. The 15 mph top speed hurt me a little when going up long grades because it didn't have a lot of torque. Getting on and off of it was a breeze because the front is very uncluttered. I personally think they are a great mower minus the problems with certain turf. Get the most horse power you can, the big pumps and motors really drain the power but if your on flat land as I would suspect in your area this shouldn't be a big issue. If I got another Super I would go with the 28 efi unless they put something larger on them eventually. The 30 Kohler was still having some problems the last time I heard. The flex forks really smoothed out the ride but on bumpy lots they could get a little bouncy. I eventually took them off. I found that putting about 9 psi in the front tires and 10 in the back made for a very good comfortable ride with the suspension seat. Good luck hope this helps.
 
1 - 19 of 19 Posts