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Rainman7

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Do all of you heat the pipe when fitting? I saw a company the other day and the crew had all rubber mallets to whack the fittings in. They said they werent allowed to use torches because heating the pipe made an inferior seal. Anyone else do this?
 
I have watched guys just install with heat(no clamps)....and guys install dry(no heat)..

We use heat and clamps....

Personally, its a Joke of anyone believes that...always heat the inside of your poly for 2-3 secs with a propane torch..Dry fittings makes me think the Boss man is to cheap to buy propane for the crew.....

BTW-ask that crew how their wrists feel@ the end of the season....
sorry rainman7-but thats just a joke.....Heat does not ruin the integrity of the pipe!!!!!
 
I have watched guys just install with heat(no clamps)....and guys install dry(no heat)..

We use heat and clamps....

Personally, its a Joke of anyone believes that...always heat the inside of your poly for 2-3 secs with a propane torch..Dry fittings makes me think the Boss man is to cheap to buy propane for the crew.....

BTW-ask that crew how their wrists feel@ the end of the season....
sorry rainman7-but thats just a joke.....Heat does not ruin the integrity of the pipe!!!!!

QUOTE]Hmmm... Are you sure about that? I always wondered why the pipe melted if heated - might be changing the integrity of the pipe.

Depends on local practices - mallet or heat.
 
try this on your next install or service call. heat one fitting, clamp it and then remove the clamp and try and remove the fitting...very very hard to pull that fitting out of a heated pipe.

Now try the same without heating it, lot easier to pull from the unheated pipe.

And after 19yrs in the biz, I have never seen a heated fitting blow out from one of our installs.
 
Torching it DOES change the pipe and can ruin it. But for 2-3 seconds, no it won't ruin it. I've done it in very cold situations, or with that damn RainJet pipe to shove a 1" fitting into it. it's a choice thing.
 
I usually just twist a fitting in. If I'm feeling lazy/tired or its been a bad day, etc., then a few taps from a dead blow mallet will do the trick. In very cool weather (45F or lower), I bust out the torch to soften the pipe. Just a gentle caress with the flame, because you most definitely can melt the pipe if you overdo it.
 
This is right in line with a lot of the other content on this thread. I've been using K-Y Jelly on poly (that's poly, not Polly) lately, based on a suggestion from Jess Stryker's site. He suggested it because it's water soluble. You just have to be comfortable going into the drug store and buying it. Works great, but I have been considering wrapping some electrician's tape around the tube, feels kind of funny having a "personal lubricant" lying around for people to see. Looking forward to the responses I get on this one...
 
I have started using a rubber mallet more than I do a torch only because I feel the need the show the guys it can be done without torching the pipe... a lot of them WAY overheat
Like someone (HAZE?) said its a learned process that saves time and labor...

If you heat a piece of 1 inch for 8 secs in the middle of a 90 F temp day your going to have a problem with that connection...Up here in New England when I heat my pipe (3/4-2") it depends on the season...

Mind you it also depends on how your torch head throws heat...The torch head can be set to flame differently... I prefer a fat flame in the summer and a narrow flame in the winter.

Spring/Winter I'll give it a 4 second count 3 inside and 1 on the outside lip for 1 inch.....

In the summer its usually a quick one and a half second inside and one and a half outside...Sometimes less on the real hot days...

With drip its about 2 seconds tops from about 4-6 inches away with a benzomatic propane torch in cold temps...One time I had no choice but to use map gas on drip....Now that was tricky, and involved some skill.

Since my first week of irrigation 3+ years ago I have never overheated the pipe....

lol sorry to blog fellas....
Heating wisely will cause less stress on your body,result in quicker install for a fitting,and if done properly will never compromise the integrity of your pipe!!!!!!!!!!
 
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