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#21 ·
Some of the best in the region is butchy anf John over at groundscapes express, always soil food web tested. There guys are trusted advisers for sure, You should go out of your way to get to know them if you can

seriously, these guys are serious and have been beating administrations for years and have been very successful in changing laws, you may find out a whole new side to the business going on out there especially around water

Tell em Bill Skerrett from ICT organics sent you .....(and they'll charge you double) LOL

http://www.groundscapesexpress.com/ They are in Wrentham 508-384-7140, John Engwar runs the place
 
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Discussion starter · #23 ·
I crunched some numbers today.

Composted loam from a cow/horse/human source at some of the local facilities, delivered to my home would run me 45-60/yard. I figure on 6 yards to cover my lawn with 1/2" and that would leave me some for the beds as well.

ICT would be much cheaper, even when you figure in the costs of water involved in the process.

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Would ICT be as beneficial to the creatures living in my soil, and to the grass, ornamentals, and perennials as composted loam?
 
#24 ·
Just so you know... my eyes just turned into $ signs.

Sorry, you need compost down as a base. You can do that once a year and put down ICT on top. Then do it again next year. Twice a year is better, but once a year will just take twice as long, duh..., that way it isn't too much of a hit. ICT will do you well on top though, that is all the good guys you need that feed the compost to the lawn. One treatment will do you fine for a start.

1/2" is a little thick, I usually do about 1/4". Right tree?
 
Discussion starter · #25 ·
Thanks!

On a side note.....

Maybe lawns are different than trees, but I suspect not. If you lay donw straight compost it will heat up the soil, and deplete the N out fo the soil while the compost breaks down. The language here is VERY confusing even to a somewhat experienced treegeek. The correct terminology should be composted loam.

Correct me if I am wrong.....?
 
#26 ·
If it has been composted it should not rob the N. But if you put down something that needs to be broken down, like corn gluten meal, or straw, or alfalfa meal, or.. then the microbes will rob the nitrgoen. They have already done that in the compost. Plus, you wait till the pile cools until you use the post.. right?

Loam: a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Compost: a mixture of various decaying organic substances, as dead leaves or manure, used for fertilizing soil.

dictionary.com

Not sure of the 'formal' terminology of compost.
 
#27 ·
boston, from one treekgeek to another, finished compost= no heat and no N robing. take it easy on the trees they need there food at the farthest root tips= well past the drip line for sure!!! so don't worry about them, give em a hug for me and feed that lawn, with finished compost!! and then some tea, give the tree a good dose all around that's what it wants, trunk, foliage,roots get it all till it drips like rain, and then get the deep root feeder out and poke some holes in the earth!!!!
 
#30 ·
well let me see we started in 98, so, after 05 when i got out of school, Arboriculture and Botany, with a minor. I had 5 years in the saddle and then i had this really cool older guy work with me for 1 year, and now this guy from mass. has joined the crews and I have learned a lot more, so even after all that and several rambles and other meets, and climbing commercially for for almost a decade, i still have many mentors, some live and some dead, some have even worked for me and other times i worked for them. comfortable, try loosening or tightening your saddle a little.if your still not comfortable, learn computers.

phill has almost 15 year experience, 6 at asplund, 3 with Georgia power as a line man and rescue crew, and has climbed all over the world and the states to. as well as holding a forestry and Arboriculture degree, and line certification, hazard training and advanced rescue training.

michel is mangrove certified and can climb a palm tree to the moon(no spikes) is gifted in proper shaping and all areas of safety. he brings almost 25 years of experience.
 
#32 ·
sorry had to beat the dog, the point was after you try it it will get you going if you now what i mean or it will have you shaking, if you start to shake out give it up, this was a natural for me, easier than walking. and we still have all the time in the world for any sort of mentor-ship, be it given or received.

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#34 ·
I am all about the rock climbing, sky diving, mountain biking, tree climbing, but that is all for the thrill. I have done all and plan to do a lot more when I get time, but I don't think that is something I would want to do for a living everyday.
 
#36 ·
treegal1 said:
sorry had to beat the dog, the point was after you try it it will get you going if you now what i mean or it will have you shaking, if you start to shake out give it up, this was a natural for me, easier than walking. and we still have all the time in the world for any sort of mentor-ship, be it given or received.
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Now do it without ropes and harnesses. :)
 
Discussion starter · #38 ·
Kiril said:
BostonBull,

Just to keep you on the right path, there is no such thing as composted loam. Loam is a soil, compost is organic matter. :)
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Around here we call compost the stuff IN the pile still heating up. The finished product is called composted loam because of all the organic matter in it from being composted. Loam is just dirt, Sand/silt/clay.

Tree

You going to the ISA conference?
 
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