Can I mix MSMA and 2, 4-d together and spray for weeds in my Bermuda grass, or do I need to spray one then wait a few weeks and let it work before I spray the other? Would like to spray together to save time. I know it will turn my Bermuda yellow, but was wondering if it would be to much for it to recover if I mixed together and sprayed? I have had other suggestions but I had already purchased the MSMA and 2, 4-d. Turf Dog, hmartin, and Packey, thanks for all of your help.
Can I mix MSMA and 2, 4-D togather and spray?
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Can I mix MSMA and 2, 4-d together and spray for weeds in my Bermuda grass, or do I need to spray one then wait a few weeks and let it work before I spray the other? Would like to spray together to save time. I know it will turn my Bermuda yellow, but was wondering if it would be to much for it to recover if I mixed together and sprayed? I have had other suggestions but I had already purchased the MSMA and 2, 4-d. Turf Dog, hmartin, and Packey, thanks for all of your help.
Hey Ric, I just read the label for the 2, 4-D again. It does state that it should be mixed with just water, but that you can add a wetting agent or other surfactant to the spray. I will read the MSMA label again also. But was really wondering if anyone has ever done this and if so with what kind of results. Thanks for your input Ric, it is greatly appreciated, as with everyone else on this board.
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Blake,
Did you get the LV 400 brand of 2-4D? and the weedhoe brand of MSMA?
The problem with most individuals that use these combinations is that they want to mix them together directly and then add some water. Bad mistake!.........!
I mix this stuff together in 65+ gallons of water at a time and add the 2-4D first, then add the MSMA.
How much water are we talking about here and what type of application equipment are you using????
I mix using a skid sprayer.........65 gallon.......fill 3/4 with water.......then add 2-4D......start the engine and agitation........then add the MSMA and fill rest with water. Surfactant added last to satisfy the adhesion ratio and reduces the bubbles. Let your motor run for about 5 minutes to adequately circulate the materials together.
I had a friend that bought a hose end sprayer and mixed 5 oz. of MSMA and 5 oz. of 2-4D together in the same bottle(No Water)..........well...............he made silly putty, none-the-less!
What Ric is talking about is a product called--something like broadleaf and grass weed killer plus by Spectricide. That product has buffering agents and stablizing agents in there to keep the products from turning into silly putty.
As far as the yellowing.........it is inevitable and the bermuda should grow out of the damage as long as you don't over do the dosage.
I have another friend whom didn't want to wait for the weather to get warm enough for me to spray his lawn for smooth crabgrass and foxtail. He went to our co-op and bought 2 gallons of MSMA. Drove by his house the other day.. The lawn was irritably yellow and all the grassy weeds were dead...no doubt.! Saw him at our lunch place and he said he mixed 12 oz. of MSMA to a gallon and did the 8,ooo sq.ft. front lawn with a backpack sprayer. Assuming that he even had the thing calibrated, he was applying 6 times the amount according to label. I hope his lawn recovers.....LOL!
Did you get the LV 400 brand of 2-4D? and the weedhoe brand of MSMA?
The problem with most individuals that use these combinations is that they want to mix them together directly and then add some water. Bad mistake!.........!
I mix this stuff together in 65+ gallons of water at a time and add the 2-4D first, then add the MSMA.
How much water are we talking about here and what type of application equipment are you using????
I mix using a skid sprayer.........65 gallon.......fill 3/4 with water.......then add 2-4D......start the engine and agitation........then add the MSMA and fill rest with water. Surfactant added last to satisfy the adhesion ratio and reduces the bubbles. Let your motor run for about 5 minutes to adequately circulate the materials together.
I had a friend that bought a hose end sprayer and mixed 5 oz. of MSMA and 5 oz. of 2-4D together in the same bottle(No Water)..........well...............he made silly putty, none-the-less!
What Ric is talking about is a product called--something like broadleaf and grass weed killer plus by Spectricide. That product has buffering agents and stablizing agents in there to keep the products from turning into silly putty.
As far as the yellowing.........it is inevitable and the bermuda should grow out of the damage as long as you don't over do the dosage.
I have another friend whom didn't want to wait for the weather to get warm enough for me to spray his lawn for smooth crabgrass and foxtail. He went to our co-op and bought 2 gallons of MSMA. Drove by his house the other day.. The lawn was irritably yellow and all the grassy weeds were dead...no doubt.! Saw him at our lunch place and he said he mixed 12 oz. of MSMA to a gallon and did the 8,ooo sq.ft. front lawn with a backpack sprayer. Assuming that he even had the thing calibrated, he was applying 6 times the amount according to label. I hope his lawn recovers.....LOL!
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I combine 2,4-D and MSMA all the time if the weeds present in a lawn call for it. Think Green is right. Do not combine the concentrates together, then pour that into the tank. Then again, do not do that with any herbicide you are attempting to tank mix. I always pour one into the tank with agitation running, then the other, add surfactant and go. If the lawn is bad enough to require 2,4-D and MSMA, I am also adding simazine and/or Image to the mix. Doing this, I have never made silly putty or an unsprayable slime. It also helps to premix the concentrates with water before adding it to the sprayer. For a small hand sprayer, it might be a good idea to fill the sprayer with 1/2 water, measure out one product in a 16 oz measuring cup, add more water on top of that and pour in, do the same with the other.
These two products work well together, it is just that the concentrates are physically incompatible, making slime.
These two products work well together, it is just that the concentrates are physically incompatible, making slime.
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If the Fools would read all of the label and have the ability to under stand those Labels, They wouldn't have to ask a question every Certified Pesticide Operator should know or know how to find the answer. Sorry I am not a Democrat who believes I should share my hard earned money or Knowledge with those who are too lazy to work for their own.
Thanks everyone. Think Green, the MSMA is: Hi-yield 529 MSMA Weed Killer and the 2, 4-D is: American made 2, 4-D Selective Weed Killer. They both are just the 16oz bottle. I just mow part time, I don't do Pesticide, Herbicide or Fert applications. This is for my own lawn. I will be using a hand sprayer. Thanks for the information. Any more help will be greatly appreciated.
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Same concept...just smaller tank and les concentrate in measuring cup when mixing.
Thanks Ted, all the info helps.
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Ric is a dick....if you do not want to share info, then try this, delete your account. Btw i am not a democrat either!!!!
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I think that msma and 24d is a good question. It is the only two herbicide mixes that I have ever had a problem with. Just always add the msma to the tank last and you will be ok. A question like this is actually helpfull and prevents LCO's from mixing and then saying gee I messed up now what do I do? As for the label (RIC) it does not says to always add msma last if mixing with 24d or it will turn to silly putty. A simple answer is all Blake101 was asking for. Yes I mix the two quite often, in fact it is my mix today.
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24-D has a twice a year max applications . MSMA is 2 or more repeat treatments at 14 day intervals may be necessary. Per the label. And I can spray msma all summer with little or no damage to bermuda and a 3-way product sprayed at super high temp. would fry bermuda. My personal experience says you only need 3-way early in the year, then in the fall. MSMA requires higher temps to work so if you spray trimec plus at low temps your applying chemicals that wont work. A lawn with no broadleafs needs no 24-D. I quess you could have a backpack for trimec plus then one for msma? But all the broadleafs are dead by now. All you need is msma. And msma is labled for dandy's also. Also I like to "tweek" my 24-D as it gets hotter. The only reason I mix the two are for new never treated weed infested pits that people call a lawn.
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Walk a mile in my shoes before you call me a name. Over the last 8 years I have posted as much if not more technical information than any other member on Lawnsite. I get tired of trying to make the point that the Label is the law and the first place you should look for information in a nice way. Some fools need to be hit over the head to drive home that point. At least those reading here will think twice before asking questions that they can find the answer themselves. I am not saying a question about sometime not covered by the label isn't a reasonable question.
With only 9 posts on Lawnsite, maybe you are what you called me.
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Where on the label is the answer to the original question he asked?
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To understand ric you have to understand he comes from a different generation than most of us here. People use to work to figure things out or get things done and not just take the easy way out and ask for help. The answer may not have been on the label BUT a simple search on this site would pull up more information on this subject (or any other subject for that matter) if someone just took the time to do it. I searched msma and 24 D and got about a hundred threads. Here is one that answered the question asked.
http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=273517&highlight=msma+24d
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