Can I mix MSMA and 2, 4-d together and spray for weeds in my Bermuda grass, or do I need to spray one then wait a few weeks and let it work before I spray the other? Would like to spray together to save time. I know it will turn my Bermuda yellow, but was wondering if it would be to much for it to recover if I mixed together and sprayed? I have had other suggestions but I had already purchased the MSMA and 2, 4-d. Turf Dog, hmartin, and Packey, thanks for all of your help.
Can I mix MSMA and 2, 4-D togather and spray?
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I am a college instructor by trade Ric and all I can say to your replies are some people need to be led and shown how to or what to do not just verbally told. No use me going into the different learning styles lets just say some people not only need to visually see something done (explained in detail more then the label can do) but also led into and learn by physically doing (which would be labs).
Sounds to me like you are afraid someone might get an upper hand on you if you give any knowledge to someone and in the same time take away a customer of yours.
I suggest you google DISC, your most defiantly a D :laugh:
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From reading the original post and the replies two things immediately come to my mind.
#1 - applying a combination of MSMA and 2,4-D is readily doable without non-target effects if mixed properly. A simple review of the labels obtained with the chemicals mentioned may not list a sufficiently clear enough mixing instructions as more than likely these are agricultural chemicals not intended or packaged for residential turf use.
#2 - while I understand the original poster had a question, it is one that is elementary in nature and had the poster a reasonable idea of how to properly mix herbicide the answer would have been known.
Regarding Ric's answer and responses given - I agree with Ric. Regardless of weither the intended use of herbicides is for personal/home use or not, a complete and thorough understanding of what one is about to apply is necessary. And if a question persists, call the telephone number on the label for technical assistance. So Kirk, according to your post Blake should have remedial training as well as supervision to reinforce what is patently a question any license holder should be able to answer. And if Blake is not a license holder, he should be as the non target effects of both MSMA and 2,4-D can be devastating when mis-applied.
As a final point, Kirk I too have adjunct experience at the under graduate level while mentoring graduate students in a specific field. A distinct purpose of a college education is not for one person to ask yet another for the answer, it is for the uninformed to learn how to compile a data set, process that data set, implement a specific course of action then adjust that course of action in order to achieve a desired result if at all possible. Had Blake been in one of my agronomy courses he would have received a less than favorable grade for this exercise.
#1 - applying a combination of MSMA and 2,4-D is readily doable without non-target effects if mixed properly. A simple review of the labels obtained with the chemicals mentioned may not list a sufficiently clear enough mixing instructions as more than likely these are agricultural chemicals not intended or packaged for residential turf use.
#2 - while I understand the original poster had a question, it is one that is elementary in nature and had the poster a reasonable idea of how to properly mix herbicide the answer would have been known.
Regarding Ric's answer and responses given - I agree with Ric. Regardless of weither the intended use of herbicides is for personal/home use or not, a complete and thorough understanding of what one is about to apply is necessary. And if a question persists, call the telephone number on the label for technical assistance. So Kirk, according to your post Blake should have remedial training as well as supervision to reinforce what is patently a question any license holder should be able to answer. And if Blake is not a license holder, he should be as the non target effects of both MSMA and 2,4-D can be devastating when mis-applied.
As a final point, Kirk I too have adjunct experience at the under graduate level while mentoring graduate students in a specific field. A distinct purpose of a college education is not for one person to ask yet another for the answer, it is for the uninformed to learn how to compile a data set, process that data set, implement a specific course of action then adjust that course of action in order to achieve a desired result if at all possible. Had Blake been in one of my agronomy courses he would have received a less than favorable grade for this exercise.
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To share informatin. The thing is most of the questions asked daily have already been answered here many times over and if people would take the time to do a search on a subject before they ask the same questions over and over.
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fl-landscapes I agree with your statement. No disrespect to you but, most all have been discussed. Except once all the questions have been asked and answered then there is no use for this forum to exist. I like to click on daily and check it out, if all the reply was to each question "DO A SEARCH" then we would all just quit using this forum. I personally do a search before asking any question, and most of the time I find my answer.
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I love the site too. And check new posts daily. Theres different stuff that gets posted that can't be found in a search like "funny thing happened today" or "pics of a project" "what are your toys" "check out my new rig"....ect....ect...ect... as well as many questions that haven't been answered in the past specific enough to help someone out. But people think someone like ric is a dic for saying to use the search or read the label and I hate to say I do agree with ric usually on this subject. Sometimes I log on and all I do is search and pour over hundreds of posts. There is so much imformation buried in this site it is invaluable.
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Let me put this Hate Ric thread to bed by saying I will reframe (Never say Never) from posting any information on lawnsite. You guys have successfully run me off of posting on Lawnsite. BTW It so happens my PM box is one more time full with over 701 PM asking for information. I have deleted my PM box many times over the years but I will not delete it again or at least not for the time being. Therefore I will not be available. A few of you have my E mail or Cell phone number. Please feel free to contact me, but please do not give out that information.
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Good grief were not in grade school anymore. You sound like my kid's. Suck it up and admit your chit stinks and go on. No need to be a baby about it. I have PM'd you before and you gave me the I'm not going to hold you hand response. Does that mean I didnt PM you again? NO! So get over it and go on. No need to let your control issues stop your favorite hobby, LAWNSITE!
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I concure, now everyone just pop a blood pressure pill or xxanaxx and we all calm down and have fun
txgrassguy, Ric, no hard feelings it just hit a soft spot to me.
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Kirk, your apology is accepted.
Regarding Ric, I for one will miss his knowledge but I do assert the vitriolic comments aimed at Ric were out of line.
A very poignant aspect to Ric's original response is a considerable lack of knowledge associated with an individual lack of research but posters with elementary questions resulting in pesticide misapplications with the resulting harm to our industry.
This trend has been increasing and while I recognize legitimate questions may exist, this is not the forum to have others provide data or interpret label information in lieu of a minimal level of comprehension that must exist as a base level prior to the question or application.
Regarding Ric, I for one will miss his knowledge but I do assert the vitriolic comments aimed at Ric were out of line.
A very poignant aspect to Ric's original response is a considerable lack of knowledge associated with an individual lack of research but posters with elementary questions resulting in pesticide misapplications with the resulting harm to our industry.
This trend has been increasing and while I recognize legitimate questions may exist, this is not the forum to have others provide data or interpret label information in lieu of a minimal level of comprehension that must exist as a base level prior to the question or application.
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I can see your point tx hope you see mine. Would be like coming into one of the forums I "live" on asking for computer help and getting the same response. I'm an MCSE (Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer) on Win 2000 so I build networks.
When I got the idea to redo the lawn I thought, how hard could it be, throw down some seed and water
AND THE FIRST TIME I SEEDED WAS MID JULY, 95 DEGREES, NO RAIN AND THOUGHT THAT WAS PERFECT TIME :laugh:
So I've come a long way by myself, heck I didn't even know there was such a thing as herbicides till last year. I thought, till up the weeds, kills everything and smooth it out and replant :drinkup:
I hope your getting a good laugh because this is actually a first that I'm looking back and seeing what I did then and how far I've come and how much I've learned here so its you guys that helped me and when I seen how Ric came off at blake in the second post I also was thinking blake was a newbie as of last year (think I read sine that he was licences though) so I know how I would have felt had I been him.
I've come a long way and its you, YOU the averall forum that has got me where I am today and without you guys I would have done said the hell with it and gave up. So Thank You to all who have replied to my (some pretty stupid) threads and helped me along the way.
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Ric, your just being a d--k!!! If you think that you are this cerfified know it all what in the hell are you doing on this forum. People come to this site to get answers to questions that they don't know the answer to. So I am wondering if you know so much what are you doing on here. Since you are going to be such a d--k we'd rather you just don't respond. Oh and one more thing if you do know the answer to the question Blake posted you had to learn it somewhere. Contributers to society are willing to help others, if you don't want to contribute by passing on knowledge that someone else probably taught to you then keep your narrow opinions to yourself because we don't want to hear them. Hillarious that you think that this has anything to do with a political stance. That alone shows your narrow mindedness.
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And digging up a 3 month old thread to give someone crap is not being a D**K???? Come on you even got a new user name just to make this your first post. Now who is the BIGGER D**K???????????
There is some method to my madness. You never forget the answer when someone gives you Crap about your question.
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So Hose A from OK City is now lawnman from Arkansas? There oughta be a law against that...
I am concidering the same thing. I have 25 acres to spray. I have a 500 galon boom spreyer. I currently have 450 galons of 2-4D mixed at a ratio of 100-1 with ploter in it and am thinking of adding 20 gallons of target 6plus to that mix. I have a lot of bermuda mixed with fox tain fescue and broom sage. I am hoping to kill everything bu the bermuda. Will it work?
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What does the label say....might have changed in the past 16 years.
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Ruh roh...I wonder if all those aholes from 2009 are going to come back and give me crap like they did to Ric when he gave the OP the appropriate answer.
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You can only hope
Especially with MSMA. I was reading the label a few days ago and it's changed since I was using it.What does the label say....might have changed in the past 16 years.
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