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I hope someone can help me out. I have a Toro Personal Pace mower (model # 20332) that I bought this year. I realize it wasn't the best choice as far as quality/durability go.
The drive belt has come off the pulley. I'd like to try to fix it myself but the owner's manual doesn't mention belts and Toro tells me they don't have any information on their website that would be useful. My main problem is how to get at the pulley near the transmission and remove the belt guide(s) there.
I'm not very mechanically experienced so if someone could give me step by step instructions I'd be very grateful!!
Thanks,
Tom
 
just take the blade off and the belt housing and you can easily put it back on without messing with the transmission side. trust me, i've done both and the blade side is much easier to work with. goodluck.
 
Which Pers Pace model did you get? Recycler? Super Recycler?

I can tell you I have the latter - 3 seasons strong now mowing about 6 lawns a week, no problems whatsoever. Hope that gives you more confidence.
 
Watch out for sticks though. They can get up through the blade opening underneath and burn a belt up quick LOL
 
You'll have to take the blade of to get to the belt sheild. Also you will need to take the rear wheels off, and the metal rod that runs from one side to the other. This will give you access to the pully above the trans. And you'll need to take the belt quide off, so that you can put the belt on.
 
Bought one a month ago for my house. Today it got clogged and died. I attempted several times to start it and smelled gas. OK, flooded, no problem. I waited 30 minutes and restarted easily. It mowed fine for about 5 minutes then it suddenly died in an area with thin and short grass. Won't start now even after 30 minutes. Is it flooded? Would I be better off waiting until tomorrow to try it? I know Toro PPs aren't supposed to be the best, but come on! One month??? Is it just flooded and needs some time to recover?
 
Bought one a month ago for my house. Today it got clogged and died. I attempted several times to start it and smelled gas. OK, flooded, no problem. I waited 30 minutes and restarted easily. It mowed fine for about 5 minutes then it suddenly died in an area with thin and short grass. Won't start now even after 30 minutes. Is it flooded? Would I be better off waiting until tomorrow to try it? I know Toro PPs aren't supposed to be the best, but come on! One month??? Is it just flooded and needs some time to recover?
If you got it at Home Depot, well I had two of them, one front wheel drive, one rear wheel drive, both POS's, even my 80 year old neighbor has one, I've repaired it twice in the two years he had it, one tranny and pull string, by the way he had the tranny replaced 6 months after owning it, and he has a small yard.......trash.....:confused:
 
Yeah, I got it at Home Depot. Would they take it back now when I bought it on August 17th? The last mower I owned was a $129 cheapo WalMart push mower that ran great for five years. In fact I gave it to my neighbor this spring and he still uses it with no problems. I gave it away because it appeared my mowing days were over when they discovered an aortic dissection and abdominal aneurysm on me last year. After stable CT scans for a year my doc gave me clearance to mow with a self propelled. I thought this would be a good one. What's bad is this one replaced another PP I had. The first one I got ran for 10 minutes and locked up. Had it for a total of 3 hours, used it for 10 minutes and had to return it. It had oil and everything and just stopped and the pull cord wouldn't pull. LOL Pieces of crap.

Does Home Depot have a decent self propelled mower that is cheaper than the the Toro PP?
 
Yeah, I got it at Home Depot. Would they take it back now when I bought it on August 17th? The last mower I owned was a $129 cheapo WalMart push mower that ran great for five years. In fact I gave it to my neighbor this spring and he still uses it with no problems. I gave it away because it appeared my mowing days were over when they discovered an aortic dissection and abdominal aneurysm on me last year. After stable CT scans for a year my doc gave me clearance to mow with a self propelled. I thought this would be a good one. What's bad is this one replaced another PP I had. The first one I got ran for 10 minutes and locked up. Had it for a total of 3 hours, used it for 10 minutes and had to return it. It had oil and everything and just stopped and the pull cord wouldn't pull. LOL Pieces of crap.

Does Home Depot have a decent self propelled mower that is cheaper than the the Toro PP?
HD does different things on returns, my neighbor returned his, only to have them tell hem he messed it up, he was PO, he then took it to a local repair shop, they replaced the tranny, 8 months later same thing, plus the shop installed it for about $169+.....the 2nd time he bought the tranny, $60+, I installed it for free........I would never buy a mower from HD again..........I believe I paid $700+tax for both of mine, another 300 and I could have had a Toro professional model. They might take it back, I would try it.
 
They are both crap mowers and never lasted a season with me.
Hmm. I have a 1993, a 1995, and a 2004. The '95 had a cracked gas tank so I used it for parts rather than replace it due to its advanced age. The other two run fine and I've never even replaced a drive belt other than for preventative reasons.

As for the OP, if you're having trouble with a simple thing like a slipped belt on this mower, its time to dig in and start learning a little about your machines. A good place to do that is the parts explosions on toro's website. Once you see all the parts like that it's pretty easy to fix anything outside of engine internals on these things. They also have service manuals online for some mowers.
 
If you got it at Home Depot, well I had two of them, one front wheel drive, one rear wheel drive, both POS's, even my 80 year old neighbor has one, I've repaired it twice in the two years he had it, one tranny and pull string, by the way he had the tranny replaced 6 months after owning it, and he has a small yard.......trash.....:confused:
Wow! A "pull string" (starter cord, maybe?) repair? That must have taken all day. : ) Cords break, most lawn guys have a spool of the stuff in the shop. Then again, there are those who drive their machines to the shop to have blades sharpened and the oil changed.

The transmission problems can be related to the PP system uses for releasing the transmission when you back up. If out of adjustment it sometimes hangs up and one foolishly insists on dragging it backwards anyway repeatedly despite the rear wheels not rolling, then you'll strip something out. (something you might expect and 80 y/o to do) It's a minor design weakness, but one someone with a little experience and common sense would avoid before he ruined the machine. It is unlikely one machine would see a complete failure of two transmissions. More likely is that the shop is going to just replace the transmission (or fix the small part and tell you they did it) for their own reasons.

There are also different toro 21" versions, from $300 to $700 for consumer models. Engines vary, but most will use the same engine rope as anything else. If one doesn't understand that when you pull start you SLOWLY pull the rope out once to release compression, and THEN make a strong pull, then he's going to keep breaking ropes.

Once again, all this is something someone who spent even a few weeks learning as an employee would pick up. But that's passe'.
 
Hmm. I have a 1993, a 1995, and a 2004. The '95 had a cracked gas tank so I used it for parts rather than replace it due to its advanced age. The other two run fine and I've never even replaced a drive belt other than for preventative reasons.
I don't see a 22" mower in your sig, that would be a recycler. Are you sure you have one? They home depot crap. if you actually use them that is.

I have a recycler, super recycler and had lots of trouble with them once the newness wore off. Now I have a commercial heavy duty 21" and have never had trouble with it. Big difference between the home depot crap and a commercial mower.
 
The transmission problems can be related to the PP system uses for releasing the transmission when you back up. If out of adjustment it sometimes hangs up and one foolishly insists on dragging it backwards anyway repeatedly despite the rear wheels not rolling, then you'll strip something out. (something you might expect and 80 y/o to do) It's a minor design weakness, but one someone with a little experience and common sense would avoid before he ruined the machine.
What is the method for this adjustment?
 
I don't see a 22" mower in your sig, that would be a recycler. Are you sure you have one? They home depot crap. if you actually use them that is.

I have a recycler, super recycler and had lots of trouble with them once the newness wore off. Now I have a commercial heavy duty 21" and have never had trouble with it. Big difference between the home depot crap and a commercial mower.
The posts I read referred only to them as "personal pace mowers" which I assume would mean the drive system that came out some time ago, replacing the 3 speeds used before. So, my reply referred to them in general. I own super recyclers. But the drive system is the same on most recyclers (steel deck mowers) and super recyclers (aluminum deck mowers) except for one front drive model. Wasn't the original post about the drive system?

The super recyclers I had from the 90's used a drive system almost identical to the 3 speed on the commercial units (which I've also used) except they had a cable to the speed adjust rather than locating the switch down low. But while not as good in my opinion, even the newer PP superrecycler has been relatively trouble free except for me stripping out a small notched plastic washer that controls the reverse free-wheel function somehow the very first time I used it. This caused one wheel to not drive consistently, but the unit still ran and functioned. It was not adjusted right when I got it and I admit I got in a situation where I had to drag it about 4' uphill to get out of tight spot and that probably broke it. This is exactly what bonehead employees would do to one, so it's not surprising if they give problems used commercially by employees. That's what they make the 130 lb versions for.

I'm pretty sure most of the transmissions themselves are very similar. How? Because I pulled that same plastic part off my old broken-tanked 90's Toro super recycler and used it to fix the 2004 model. That's about a $5 part, not a new transmission. I then readjusted the cable that was misadjusted upon delivery and 4 years later, no problems. Took about 15- 20 minutes to pull the old part and install it on the newer machine. A trained mechanic would need half that much time with a new part. Any LCO with experience could do it himself. Mine was under warranty but it was easier to just do it myself.

I'm not saying it'd hold up to day in day out use by a crew of gorillas, but it's already got the equivilent of about 25 years of homeowner use. So my assessment would be that its hardly 'junk'.

From what I could discern the recyclers were just a steel deck version. My brother has one that is a 2003 and it still runs fine for his home use. He uses it to mow a fairly large super-steep section of his lawn a tractor is too dangerous on. So it's getting "hard hours" on the drive system being used 100% on steep slopes. Never had a single problem. The bags are even the same, he gave me his to use on my super recycler as he never used it. They both have briggs engines. Maybe the limitations of steel stamping mean it doesn't give the same cut quality, but I wouldn't call it "junk". It's a $350 mower if you find it on sale. A rational person might expect the $1200 ones to do a little better.

BTW, I visited a toro dealer last month who had no Toro commercial units in stock, so I asked why. He said "they keep coming back with problems". He didn't elaborate, but apparently they're not perfect either.
 
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