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I am going to be replacing one of my ztr's for the coming season and have narrowed my choices to these two. I have decided between these two because I want a liquid cooled engine and need a 52 inch deck.

I have mentioned in a previous post my concerns with the Bad Boy, (mainly dealer support) but feel it is a well built machine. My main concern with the Grasshopper is the fact that the price is $11500 as opposed to $7699 for the BadBoy. The Bad Boy comes with a 26hp liquid cooled Kawi while the Grasshopper is powered by a 21 hp Liquid cooled Kubota diesel.

Could I get some pros and cons for each mower from people who have owned or used these two models? I'll admit that i'm leaning Grasshopper, but having a hard time getting past the large price difference. Thanks for your help.
 
I can't comment on either of those two mowers in particular.

However if dealer support is at all questionable I would not get that brand. Through experience I have realized that no matter what brand it is, the dealer that backs it is always one of the most important things to consider.

Sorry I can't really help you with the mowers. But I do know that kubota diesels are very good.
 
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Let me ad to my origional post: Both dealers are great and have gone the distance to show the mowers, answer questions etc. The Bad Boy dealer sells mainly New Holland tractors and has added the Bad Boy line about 1 year ago. The Grasshopper dealer has been selling Grasshoppers for over 30 years.
 
You can't go off only resale. Not every grasshopper will be bought at a premium and the same with bad boy. The lightning 26lc 60 is only$ 6999. My bad boy is built a little tougher than my 227/60 grasshopper. Not much but a little. DonÂ’t let people scare you with the resale cause everything with resale right now sucks especially if you plan on keeping it like I do. Just demo each. Any good dealer will bend over backwards to make you a happy customer.
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fier23, That's a much better price on a 60in 26 Kawi liquid cooled than I've seen around here, but a 52 is as large as I can go in this area. The problem with doing demos is that I run a mulch kit and no dealers want to let you demo with a full mulch kit installed. Almost all mowers will cut great when you side discharge. Had I been able to demo my Toro z400 with the mulch kit installed, I woulnd not have purchased it as it leaves uncut grass on Bahia and sparce weedy lawns.
 
fier23, That's a much better price on a 60in 26 Kawi liquid cooled than I've seen around here, but a 52 is as large as I can go in this area. The problem with doing demos is that I run a mulch kit and no dealers want to let you demo with a full mulch kit installed. Almost all mowers will cut great when you side discharge. Had I been able to demo my Toro z400 with the mulch kit installed, I woulnd not have purchased it as it leaves uncut grass on Bahia and sparce weedy lawns.
I hear you there my toro ran like junk with a mulch kit. Had to just take it slow. But that was also with a residential 21 kohler. If there is any doubt just bump up to the 32. But im sure unless its 6" + you will not have a problem. But you never know.
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Owned a fleet of many different models of Grasshoppers for my mowing business. Opened a store, and became a Grasshopper dealer. Had many opportunities to inspect try out Bad Boy machines over a 2 year period while they were trying to get me to become a dealer.
I liked my Grasshoppers so well, that I became a dealer. I di not add the Bad Boy line to my store. Does that well you anything???

Which bad boy and/or grasshopper model do you have?
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Yes, that is a reasonable price for the Grasshopper. Just like cars and trucks, the price of ZTR's has gone up a lot, especially the diesel models.
If you take good care of the Grasshopper, you could get around 6000 hours out of it, if not more, without major repairs. You might try to negotiate a little on price, but remember, the dealer has to make a little profit if you want him to be around later when you need parts or service. Dealers do not make as much on these ZTR's as most people think. I know, I have been on both sides of the fence. I have been a customer, and then a dealer later on.
 
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Thanks to everyone for the input. I had another local dealer contact me today who said he could put me in the 721d for $11000. He said he may also be able to sell the unit he has in stock for less if he can get Grasshopper to list it as a demo. I think that is more than fair. He also said he has a number of units out there with over 10000 hours on them. I think I'm going to go with the Grasshopper, and my buddy is going with the Bad Boy. We will see who makes out better.
 
Hey, I was in your shoes 5 years ago, but had never heard of a Bad Boy. I bought a 2006 Grasshopper 722D 61" for nearly $13000. The front deck takes alot of torque away from the small diesel, and wet grass was my number 1 issue. When I started growing I bought a BB Lightning with a 26hp LC Kawasaki w/ a 52" Deck. I went to another world, and the funny thing was it only cost $7500, It would run circles around the hopper, especially before 9:30 in the morning when the dew was still on the ground. Yards with sprinklers I didn't have to go back and blow off with the BR600 blower I had to buy, I was really impressed with the speed and ride too. It is funny, I would leave my $13000 mower at the house when I just needed one, and while mowing big properties the GH was my backup. My Lightning fell off my trailer going 70mph down the hwy and totaled out, I was sick. The actual mower factory that built it actually fixed my machine for me, and I became a dealer for them after the fact. You are the exact person I would strongly advise you to demo both for atleast a few hours for the seat time. The other direction you could go in, you can get a 28hp Cat diesel from BB for $9999, or the monster 35hp Cat 4 cylinder diesel for $12000 if you find a hungry dealer, you are talking another world. A good example would be a dealer in Kansas that sells just Grasshopper and Bad Boys. He sold 30 something GH's and nearly 400 Bad Boys this year if that tells you anything. Here locally, Grasshoppers have been here since day one. After talking to the dealer here, I have sold more Bad Boys in 3 seasons of selling them than he has in 15 years. I do admit they eliminated most of the issues I had with my 06. There is no hydro belt anymore (mine broke all the time a pain to change out too), and the underpowered issue is no more (unless you get a front mount with a 21 or 22 diesel). Now they have the 31hp Diesel, and the big block Vanguard gas units. I would strongly recommend that if you do go front mount get a bigger engine, or a 48" deck to be happy. IF you wan the 21, go with the mid mount hopper on a 52" deck. You are welcome to pm me or give me a call, I would like to tell you my story, and love to help people out.... You are going to be sick when you and your buddy compare your mowers together. With the front mount mower you actually lose nearly 30% of your power as opposed to the same set up mid-mount. Don't get me wrong, the front deck comes in handy cleaning the deck, changing blades, under bushes, and over pools, but they need to discontinue the small engine choices on the fm, I thought they were this year, but I guess not. Not just to get you to buy a badboy, just get a mid mount hopper instead. I know yall have some thick grasses down there, and its really damp on your yards, just don't want you to be unhappy. Mowingman will prolly back me up on that, and I would recommend that if you have a chance to get BB again, I would strongly consider it. Our GH dealer sold 6 units this year, and I sold over 100 BB's, and they are nearly all commercial $8000 and up! I wouldn't mind visiting with you about it....
 
I would seriously consider the BB just because the price difference. The GHopper is a nice machine but in the long run with a bad econmy it doesn't make a $5000 difference. Don't let people scare you into buying the most expensive I've bought them all and make money with them all. The main thing is to make sure the cut quality is equal, mulching
I would give the edge to the GH but I have never run the BB Lightening, I own the Outlaw and have run GHopper for about 6 yrs but phazed them out over the last 10 yrs. Good machines but not worth the price, the service is no difference for me. BB can get me parts as quick as GHopper too.
But get them to order a mulch kit for each machine and compare them for ease of installing etc. Either way go with your gut and happy mowing.
 
This would be an easy one for me. You cant really compare the two models, The GH 721D is one of the best machines out there. On a scale from 1 to 10 I would rank the GH a 10 and the Bad Boy a 1 or 2. This is considering Dealer support as well. Bad Boy isnt going to be around like GH will. The Kubota 3cyl Diesel is bullet proof. You will have the mower for a long time.
 
I have to agree, you are comparing apples and oranges here... A front mount is a whole different mower than a midmount. Now, I tend to disagree about the frontmount needing 30% more power to run the same deck as a mid, as I have ran both and found that to be the exact opposite.

However, if you don't NEED the frontmount grasshopper I'd advise looking at a midmount. My opinion, other than the nice ability to flip the deck straight up, if you aren't planning on running other attachments in place of the mowing deck the front mount is really a waste of money. Yes they tend to offer a nicer ride for the operator but they are so much longer it makes them harder to maneuver in tight lawns, plus the extra trailer space they take up. The front deck will follow contours a little better, but I assume you are cutting high anyway so that's not that big of a concern.

The other comparison difference is the engine. I don't think the liquid cooled kawi is anywhere near the engine that the kubota diesel is. Plus the diesel would outlast it about 3 to 1.
 
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Thanks everyone! I am actually looking at the midmount. I do plan to demo both mowers, but am leaning toward the Grasshopper because there are a few things I do not like about the Bad Boy. Don't get me wrong, I really think the Bad Boy looks like a great mower. I don't like the fact that the Lightning sits up so high (makes it hard to get under trees). I also don't like that the Bad Boy has a hydraulic deck (can't be floated to go over elevated sprinklers). I also don't like the fact that there is no water temp gauge on the liquid cooled engine. I also worry that my dealer has only been a dealer for about 1 year and the next closest dealer is a 120 mile round trip. As I said, I have seen several other dealers come and go. All valid concerns to me.

The Grasshopper dealer has been selling them for 30 plus years. Several other dealers within a short drive. Many parts are stocked at the dealer. I have also been told by several dealers that the Kubota will get much better fuel economy than the liquid cooled Kawi.

The Bad Boy diesel is not an option for me due to the heavy weight of the mower. I wish it was an option because it has a great price. I'm sure the Cat diesel is a great engine as well, just looks like it should be in a truck rather than a lawn mower.

Haven't ruled anything out yet as I will wait for the demos. Also thanks Retro, I may be giving you a call to hear your story after my demos. I may have some questions for you.
 
Just remember to trust your own judgment. Not from someone who feels the 12 year old need to bash or name call a brand just cause they don't like them. I have grasshopper, toro and badboy. I now prefer my bad boy to my grasshopper and toro but you don't see me playing the name game. Demo, have fun and we can't wait for pics.
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