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I am deciding between a 2000 or 2001 LX279 unknown hours 17hp liquid cooled kawasaki 48" in great shape OR a 2006 X304 with 250 hrs great shape 42" 17hp kawasaki..

LX279 $1800
X304 $2000

I will be mowing 1 acre. Mostly flat.. Pulling occasional yard cart and aerator

I would appreciate any advice
 
I had to freshen up on my residential knowledge of JD equipment before I responded to this thread, just to make sure I am not telling you wrong information...

Anyway, you are looking at two pretty comparable models. The LX is the equivilant series to the current x300 series (just older). Either machine will do the job that you want it to.

I'm not sure on the 2006 models, but the 2011 x304 models have the 18HP engine, not the 17HP, I'm not sure if that was changed or not. The x304 is a 4-wheel-steer model which will be very nice for going around obsticles or even turning around in tight spots. The x304 is new enough that any attachments you may want for it are still current and available.

The LX279 is an older model. The unknown hours does have me a little concerned. Most new models no include an hour meter to help with maintenance intervals. Most attachments will be able to be used on this mower, but some may require extra parts or may be more difficult to attach seeing as current designs have changed.

I would suggest the X304. Its more current, a very good series from Deere and should last you for a while. The kawasaki engines they use on the x300 series are a good engine, not the FX series on the commercial machines but nonetheless a good engine for the consumer such as yourself.
 
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Thanks for the imput mowerbrad. I'm leaning the same way. The unknown hours of the lx and the newness of the x304. I have been told that the x300 series is compariable to the older LT series and that the LX in considered better built than the x series
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Thanks for the imput mowerbrad. I'm leaning the same way. The unknown hours of the lx and the newness of the x304. I have been told that the x300 series is compariable to the older LT series and that the LX in considered better built than the x series
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I can see the comparison with the LT series...but I'm not completely convinced. Deere used to offer the LT, LX, GT and X series lawn tractors. Currently they Have the 100 series, x300, x500 and x700 series tractors. I'm torn between the LT and LX when comparing them to the x300 series, the LX was just a larger frame/deck mower than the LT series. The LX didn't offer any hydraulics and offered the same attachments as the LT series, just with larger engines (also liquid cooled on the larger models).

Either way you look at it, the x304 is a well built mower and should last you for quite some time.
 
John Deere tractors are my specialty :). Mowerbrad gave you some good general info, but here is a little more.

They are, as stated above, very similar, but I'd take an LX over the newer tractor any day. The 4 WS is nice, but costly to repair should it ever need it. The LC engine in the LX is a better engine to have any day, as long as it has been well maintained. It will be quieter to perate, and normally give better fuel economy. Both came with hour meters, so if there's unknown hours on the LX, ask why. The implements for the LX are the same ones as used on the GT series garden tractors, because they are the same- frame, axle, hood, same basic range of engines etc. The GT has a little heavier rear axle than the LX to handle ground engaging implements like a tiller or a single bottom plow (used with a sleeve hitch), and larger tires all around. There are a ton of nice used implements available at dealers, and on craigslist for the LX/GT series, not nearly as many yet for the X series since they are newer. The LX is a much nicer looking tractor IMO. Both have very nice cutting decks that will cut neck and neck with any ZTR made, (providing you have sharp blades of course). I make that claim from firsthand experience on both types of machines, and from the fact that the tractors aren't mowing at 10 MPH. Both have excelent Kawi's in them that are as good as anything put in a ZTR as well. Different model of engine for different applications, but both built for commercial use (referring to the tractor vs the ztr engines), though your dealer may not tell you that if he thinks he can sel you a ZTR.
 
Thanks for the imput mowerbrad. I'm leaning the same way. The unknown hours of the lx and the newness of the x304. I have been told that the x300 series is compariable to the older LT series and that the LX in considered better built than the x series
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Not correct at all. I owned an LT. They are nice little lawn tractors, but built no where near as heavy as an LX. The new X series is the replacement for the LX series.

mowerbrad said:
The LX didn't offer any hydraulics and offered the same attachments as the LT series, just with larger engines (also liquid cooled on the larger models).
The LX didn't offer hydraulics, but neither did the GT (with the exception of the GX 255 which is actually a GT with hydraulics). The decks are better made and designed on the LX than on the LT's, and the LX used the same attachments as the GT, not the LT (see my post above).
 
One other thing about the LC engine is it will still be turning up full HP compared to an air cooled engine after both are hot from running for a while, especially while running a mower or snowblower. I have owned many, many JD tractors ranging from the LT 133, to my 4500, and still have several. I am not just posting my personal opion either in case you wondered. I have JD's groundscare catalogs going back to about 1999 that have all the details and spec on these machines, as well as hands on experience.

Regardless of which you chose, they are both decent machines.:)
 
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Thanks Ridin' Green.. The only two things making me lean toward the X304 is the unknown hrs on the LX and the X being 5-6 years newer.. The LX mower is 10 minutes from my house and the X is 1 hour. I just wonder if I will get the longevity from the LX as compared to the X from the age alone. The 4 wheel steer is not much of a selling point for me
 
Well, if you knew that the LX had something like 3-400 hours or so, which is reasonable and normal for that age machine (they say the average homeowner puts on about 50 hours per year total, which I've found to be pretty close), it'd be an easy choice IMO. Not knowing the actual hours changes that a bit, but for me, since I have played with these things so much, I could make a pretty safe call just from looking at it. Look at the radiator, and all around it. check for leaks or any sign of them like staining/rusting, etc. Check for excess play in the steering spindles at each wheel. that is a relatively easy fix, but a decent indicator of wear/higher hours. They'll have some even when new, but not much. What condition is the deck in underneath? Lots of hours or poor maintenance will show in the form of excess rust/grass build up. Look at the tires, especially the fronts. Do they all match? If so, how's the tread? Worn tires aren't't necessarily an indicator of high hours, but will indicate how the machine was used, as in- was it turned sharply at high speed on a paved driveway, etc. People who take care of their machines normally have matching tires with good tread on them. Another indicator of how it was treated is what condition is the hood, seat, and seat pan (rear fender deck) in? Seats tend to crack even with normal use, but I have a 21 year old tractor that isn't't all scratched up from being driven along bushes and tree branches etc.

lots of things to look for if you decide to look at the LX seriously.:)
 
Water cooled engines are nice in that they are quite but they can be pricey to repair. The water pump on that LX is under the engine and a real pain to replace (pull the engine). Also, they require more attention as you want to keep the radiator screen clean of debris to prevent an overheat, hence why Honda stopped selling lawn and garden tractors in the US. The LX and the 48 inch deck you mentioned are heavier compared to the X304 for sure. If it were me, I would keep it simple and go with the X304. All wheel steer is pretty cool on those. Good luck in your choice.
 
I got out my sales brochure for the old LT, LTR and LX series lawn tractors (yes they were all in one brochure). No matter the way you look at it, you are looking at completely different models (even if you were to make them into today's models, they are not the same). I still say the LX series is equivilant to the X300 series. However, the LX279 that you are looking at would be most similar to the x340 or x360.

The LX279 had 14 attachments available for it through John Deere. The current X304 that you are looking at has over 20 attachments available for it...a big plus is that the x304 will use all current attachments and there is no chance of an attachment not fitting it properly. The LX279 may have some compatability issues with the current attachments available through John Deere, they should be able to fit but may requre additional attaching parts.

While the liquid cooled engines are nice and do typically last longer, they require more maintenance and require more attention. Like stated above, those engines can be costly to repair when they break. They run quiet and smooth, but that does come at a price.

Overall, you are going to be getting the same power out of the machines. The only difference is one machine will have a 48" deck and one will have a 42" deck.

The decision will basically come down to whether you want a machine that is over 10 years old or one that is 5 years old. Personally, I'd take the 5 year old model, especially since it is a current model.
 
I got out my sales brochure for the old LT, LTR and LX series lawn tractors (yes they were all in one brochure). No matter the way you look at it, you are looking at completely different models (even if you were to make them into today's models, they are not the same). I still say the LX series is equivilant to the X300 series. However, the LX279 that you are looking at would be most similar to the x340 or x360.

The LX279 had 14 attachments available for it through John Deere. The current X304 that you are looking at has over 20 attachments available for it...a big plus is that the x304 will use all current attachments and there is no chance of an attachment not fitting it properly. The LX279 may have some compatability issues with the current attachments available through John Deere, they should be able to fit but may requre additional attaching parts.

While the liquid cooled engines are nice and do typically last longer, they require more maintenance and require more attention. Like stated above, those engines can be costly to repair when they break. They run quiet and smooth, but that does come at a price.

Overall, you are going to be getting the same power out of the machines. The only difference is one machine will have a 48" deck and one will have a 42" deck.

The decision will basically come down to whether you want a machine that is over 10 years old or one that is 5 years old. Personally, I'd take the 5 year old model, especially since it is a current model.
mowerbrad-

It appears that you didn't understand what I said. I said that there are a ton of nice used attachments available for the LX, but not so much for the X300 series. That is a fact. I watch CL all over our state every day for just that type of stuff. Buying new attachments, for either one is cost prohibitive IMO. Deere likes to get top dollar for them. The fact that the X series has 20 attachments while the LX has 14 isn't important either since several of them are redundant, or are designed for same use senario's (like a snow blade, snow blower, etc).

Also, in your ealier post it read to me like you believed that the LT was more similar to the X300 series, not the LX. Maybe I misunderstood, if so I apologize. It is the LX series that the newer X 300 series replaced. Deere tried to streamline it's L&G tractor line and eliminated some models, while blending some others to come up with the newer series machines, but the X series is heavier built like the old LX was, and noticable more so than the LT's were.

It's true that an LC engine can be costly to repair, which is why it pays to now either the hours, or exactly what you are looking at. I have owned several of Deere's LC tractors, and never had the slightest hint of a problem with any of them, but then again, I take exceptional care of my equipment. I also blow out the radiator screen, pre screen, and engine after every use, and that helps.

Like I said, I have the grounds care catalogs that the dealers used to look up info for customers, and they have far more detail than the sales brochures which I also have going back for the last 12 years on most of their lawn care equipment.
 
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