I'm looking for some feedback on issues with my perma green triumph. I was out fertilizing on Friday and was caught in a severe thunderstorm on the way back to the garage. Move to Saturday and the machine will not run. It will fire but won't get up to rpm and dies out. This happened when my machine had 60 hours on it and I had to replace two parts (celenoid and some other switch), anyways perma green wouldn't cover the repair. This is now the second time this has happened due to being caught in the weather on a drive home and I'm quite frankly very upset. Has anyone else had this problem? I can't fathum spending 8k for a machine and having to replace parts every time it gets rained on
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I'm looking for some feedback on issues with my perma green triumph. I was out fertilizing on Friday and was caught in a severe thunderstorm on the way back to the garage. Move to Saturday and the machine will not run. It will fire but won't get up to rpm and dies out. This happened when my machine had 60 hours on it and I had to replace two parts (celenoid and some other switch), anyways perma green wouldn't cover the repair. This is now the second time this has happened due to being caught in the weather on a drive home and I'm quite frankly very upset. Has anyone else had this problem? I can't fathum spending 8k for a machine and having to replace parts every time it gets rained on
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Mysterious. Its a Honda motor, correct? Which one? Highly reliable--usually. Maybe Honda will guarantee it.
Pull start? I don't understand the need for a solenoid.
However, fertilizer dust plus high humidity is tough on some electrical and mild steel components. Isn't the motor somewhat protected from rain by the tank? Hopefully a couple hours in the hot sun will dry it out. Maybe blow some air on it to evaporate any water--air hose or leaf blower.
Maybe this is a question for Restorob and the guys in the mechanic and repair section.
In most cases these days electrical systems are reliable, but fuel-related problems are more common; more alcohol. For instance, water in the gas. Drain the carb, add a new fuel filter, drain and refill with fresh gas. Maybe a non-alcohol gas this week. New spark plug--just to be sure.
Your local mower/small engine shop should have a spark tester. Have it checked to see if the spark is good or shorted out due to water.
Considering the situation, maybe keep handy one of those chair-cover bags or grill-covers under the truck seat, to reduce the rain situation if rain threatens.
Anybody else have this problem?
Pull start? I don't understand the need for a solenoid.
However, fertilizer dust plus high humidity is tough on some electrical and mild steel components. Isn't the motor somewhat protected from rain by the tank? Hopefully a couple hours in the hot sun will dry it out. Maybe blow some air on it to evaporate any water--air hose or leaf blower.
Maybe this is a question for Restorob and the guys in the mechanic and repair section.
In most cases these days electrical systems are reliable, but fuel-related problems are more common; more alcohol. For instance, water in the gas. Drain the carb, add a new fuel filter, drain and refill with fresh gas. Maybe a non-alcohol gas this week. New spark plug--just to be sure.
Your local mower/small engine shop should have a spark tester. Have it checked to see if the spark is good or shorted out due to water.
Considering the situation, maybe keep handy one of those chair-cover bags or grill-covers under the truck seat, to reduce the rain situation if rain threatens.
Anybody else have this problem?
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One of mine is like that. When I wash it off or over fill the tank ( BTW mine are Mags ) with the water dripping on the engine it will not start...it will pop, pop, pop but not start. Let it sit for 20 minutes if the engine is warm it will fire up. I think with mine it is in the plug wire shorting out. I started taking the blower and blow out that area and often it fires up.
Carry a spare plug and one of those cheapo wrenches.
I would look in that.
Also.....disconnect any shut off wiring that goes to the engine to rule them out !!!!!
Carry a spare plug and one of those cheapo wrenches.
I would look in that.
Also.....disconnect any shut off wiring that goes to the engine to rule them out !!!!!
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I always run the equipment when I wash them
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I got caught in a Florida monsoon a few months ago and had a problem with my Triumph. I went to fire it up the next morning and it didn't start. PG replaced the whole motor and pump assembly under warranty. I don't know what the problem was but out mechanic said it had really weak spark. I've been caught in storms since and haven't had an issue with it so I think it was some type of defect.
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Been washing equipment like that for almost 20 years and no problems. It's not like I'm spending a lot of time spraying the engine. I keep all my equipment clean so no need to spend a lot of time on engine cleaning. So I guess when it rains you shouldn't use your mower because your gonna warp your heads......
Smear entire plug wire with dielectric grease.
Probably a small hairline crack letting water into the plug wire.
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We tried changing the plug before taking it on for warranty. Didn't start still.
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Big difference between drops of rain and a directed stream from a hose or pressure washer.
Easiest way to warp a head is to rapidly cool or heat one.
Aluminum is very good at transferring heat.
See that big blast of steam when the water hits the motor? That's heat being rapidly pulled from the motor.
What happens when metals cool at different rates? That's right, they undergo dimensional changes.
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Yes mine was just going pop, pop, pop on Saturday. I've had it sitting in the warehouse since then. I plan to see if I can't get in running this morning.
It just doesn't make sense to me that anyone would design a piece of equipment that is so finicky if a strong storm rains on your day (and machine).
Nunyabisnes - who did you talk to at perma green to get this covered? My machine only had 60 hours the first time and they wouldn't warranty the parts
It just doesn't make sense to me that anyone would design a piece of equipment that is so finicky if a strong storm rains on your day (and machine).
Nunyabisnes - who did you talk to at perma green to get this covered? My machine only had 60 hours the first time and they wouldn't warranty the parts
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I brought it to my JDL rep since we bought it through them. I let them deal with it while it was under warranty. Luckily it happened with 2 months left on it. Those last two months we had it in for warranty work 4 times.
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Be sure you have a spark plug tester--to see if the spark voltage is strong. Quick. Every mower shop has one. They are inexpensive. Everyone who has small motors needs one.
http://www.autozone.com/test-scan-a...d-specialty-tools/ignition-tester/oem-in-line-ignition-spark-tester/900800_0_0/
Odd, I didn't even have a garage and I had good luck with my BS motor. But I was spraying liquid fert with a skid sprayer. Maybe it is the fert dust that is the problem. Hygroscopic, attracts moisture.
http://www.autozone.com/test-scan-a...d-specialty-tools/ignition-tester/oem-in-line-ignition-spark-tester/900800_0_0/
Odd, I didn't even have a garage and I had good luck with my BS motor. But I was spraying liquid fert with a skid sprayer. Maybe it is the fert dust that is the problem. Hygroscopic, attracts moisture.
Something quick to try,
Unplug the electronic control module,
Little black box with wires, it's in the handle bars, behind the plastic
Shroud. Now try it, any luck?
I've had and seen nothing but trouble with pg and there stupid electronic
Module, seems whenever they get wet there junk,
worth a try,
Gl
Unplug the electronic control module,
Little black box with wires, it's in the handle bars, behind the plastic
Shroud. Now try it, any luck?
I've had and seen nothing but trouble with pg and there stupid electronic
Module, seems whenever they get wet there junk,
worth a try,
Gl
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