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One important complication.
Once you have clover--most herbicides will kill it--so it becomes difficult, if not impossible to spray for dandelions and other lawn weeds.
Does anyone know of a herbicide that will kill dandelions but not clover?
In theory, pre-emergent crabgrass control should not affect established clover.

And yes, clover seeds are very small. Maybe you cold spread them with a salt shaker. Or poke holes in the top lid of a jar.
 
We got called out to do a quote to install clover seeds to a lawn. This is something that I have never done or heard of before.

Has anyone done it before, and do you have any input about how to do it?
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One thing you didn't point out, is this an attempt to overseed clover in an existing turfgrass lawn, or to till and plant a whole new clover lawn from scratch?
Either way, various good suggestions and links in this thread.
 
I’ve heard of this. I would never in a million years do it. It’s a weed in lawns here.
One person's weed is another person's wildflower.
Especially in this day and age of protecting the pollinators.
 
Using 1/2 lb per 1k as some have suggested won't hurt but it's not required when working with white clover. The tough part is regulating the actual application rate due to the seed size.

You want to be caution when "rolling over or stepping" on the seed. It's easy to bury such tiny seeds. I mention this because while clover is inexpensive, your time isn't. Those that have suggested otherwise are likely less experienced (the joys of youth, we've all been there) and their advice should be balanced against those more experienced.
 
You don't have to roll if you don't want, we found that our germ rates were better when we rolled afterwards and this is on a fairly large scale as well, not just spot seeding with a salt shaker, so have to keep that in mind. There are a lot of articles related to seeding white clover and red clover. You will find that many of the university studies show that rolling can be beneficial in helping along the germ rate. It's cheap, maybe you don't care if you lose some, but we try not to have to run around more than we have too. Nice thing about a roller is that it's flat, therefore by design it doesn't have the ability to push seeds deep into the soil, it's a flat roller, not an aerator. The main benefit is that it gives better seed to soil contact, which is key for good germ.

1/2lb per 1k worked amazing for us and I thought I'd share that info since I pulled out my notes from the past decade of doing this in a pasture setting. I'd imagine if you're just sprinkling it around beds with your hands then you probably have no form of measurement as to how much you're applying, so I get the fact that my specific amount may not really be comprehended if you're never used a spreader to apply clover.

Curious Mark, what's your app rate? Just throw it on? I suggested rolling, and i assure you my experience is not less or youthful or whatever else you want to call it to make yourself feel better.
 
Actually the tires on your mower probably press new seeds into the soil with more force. More weight--and it is concentrated in a small footprint area.
that is exactly right, although we haven't visibly seen rows where our atv tracks during rolling, that would be the most concerning area as it's got the most weight on it. Still, we've found that rolling works best. YMMV
 
This is how it should be done. The seeds are very small. If just spreading clover seed, do this by hand. You can use a broadcast spreader if the clover is mixed with grass seed but to suggest otherwise (as some have) is a bad idea born out of inexperienced youth.
Could you mix the seeds into sand and then broadcast it?
 
From what I found, clover is a popular lawn alternative that's low maintenance, drought-resistant, and good for the environment. As for the installation process, it seems to be pretty straightforward. You'll want to prepare the soil by removing any weeds and debris, then sow the seeds and rake them lightly into the soil. Make sure to water the seeds regularly, especially in the first few weeks.
It's always a good idea to do some more research and see if there are any specific steps or considerations for your region or climate.
 
Could you mix the seeds into sand and then broadcast it?
I wouldn’t recommend it for several reasons.

1.) It would make calculating the rate difficult at best. Now you have to figure out the ratio of the sand and seed, and account for their different weights.

2.) The seed and sand are different weight. Jostling in the spreader would separate them. The sand falling to the bottom. Just like when you mixed rocks and sand in a glass jar as a kid and vibrated or tumbled the jar. The more dense material went to the bottom.

3.) Unless you’re using a salt spreader, sand is greatly going to decrease the spread pattern, and throw it off. Plus, sand will be super hard on the fan and the drive motor if it’s electric.


Another thing I want to say is, the old cyclone spreaders had an adjustable fan position. You could move it fore and aft to adjust spread pattern. Different seeds (different weight) cast different patterns. Being able to adjust fan position allowed you to change the pattern. Clover tends to spread heavy to one side. We would figure out which side and adjust spacing accordingly. One direction you are closer to your last pass than when going the other direction. Another trick we did was rotate the spreader to adjust pattern width. But we had that ability with the mount system we had. The older crop spreaders were made far better than the new ones. I’m glad I still have that old Cyclone spreader.

Oh, and rolling it in isn’t necessary at all. Germ rate will be just fine casting it on top. First rain will get all the seeds in contact with the soil. Some may wash away. Normal stuff.
 
Oh, and rolling it in isn’t necessary at all.
Rolling far and away is beneficial, if you don't believe me take it from some other sources, I will quote the exact wording in blue so you don't have to read the whole article. On lawns in particular my advice will help Fitz if he's looking to get good germ.

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"Once sown it is vital to consolidate the seedbed by rolling. This is important because the roller presses the seed into intimate contact with soil particles which leads to a faster transfer of soil moisture to the seed and ultimately faster germination and establishment."

If rain is in the forecast, then rolling isn't necessary. Rain isn't always in the forecast.

Fine sand would be a great addition to your seed in a broadcaster if you chose to go that route. It can only help.


" Start seeding your clover. Mix your clover seed with soil or fine sand and spread over your desired area. The sand will make it easier to spread the clover. Avoid mixing grass and clover seeds together to avoid clumping."

"Compress the seeds into the ground by running a roller over the area."



here is another link to some reading on how rolling the soil after seeding as well as mixing with sand are beneficial to better germ and spread.


and another


" Poor seed to soil contact. I always talk about a first hand account of this out on Grandpa Ray's farm. My uncle didn't beat a rain and didn't roll some of an experimental plot for me. I got 1/2 it done myself and there was very little weed pressure and a more vigorous growth on the rolled plot. The plot unrolled had much slower germination and as a result, weed issues that i had to deal with."

I only provide them for the folks that have a hard time taking input without seeing data to back it up.

Clover does not spread heavy to one side, it doesn't know how to go left or right. The spreader is what causes that and if you don't have the proper spreader with the right settings for the particular seed, you will have issues like this. A fine sand will help with this as well. For this reason I am not surprised that the person not recommending sand also has issues with even spreading. They go hand in hand.
 
Real world experience means everything and that's exactly what I have and why I wanted to contribute to the thread. But, since it was hard for some to grasp i wanted to back it with some data, just to help.

Just trying to help Fitz, ive planted clover more than a handful of times. When somebody responds to my methods and experience by saying that rolling is not necessary AT ALL, i feel like my experience and the professional industries experience shows otherwise. For that, I provided some google expertise. Feel free to seek out some data that shows that rolling is not necessary at all....that'd be a good start rather than the name calling.

It is always up to the reader to determine what's best, they can ask for advice but it's ultimately up to them. This is basic 101 when you ask an audience for their opinion. Usually it goes without saying but I suppose a reminder never hurts.

For a guy who's been banned permanently from multiple forums (cub cadet), you would think the individual might learn a thing or two about courtesy and respect for other posters. i.e. calling people names and trying to discredit their input because you don't like them. Guess not.
 
Probably a new home owner buys a yard that has had lawn treatment for years stop killing weeds grow your grass roots stong and will keep most weeds out but will let clovers grow
 
I might try some of the mini clover at first, see if it takes, when it gets warmer, right now its 31, yesterday it was 60.....
 
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