Is it possible to post emerge bermuda grass in Fescue? I have some friends who put me up to the question, any suggestions?
Lou
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kill bermuda in fescue? Possible?
toxic man
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Yes -- there are a few important ways. There is ornamec--- made by pbi gordon -- good product. Also, a way that has worked well for me is late season fertilization and watering -- it keeps the bermuda from going doramnt and lets the fescue win. Used togeterh -- you can usually eradicate it in two seasons. it will take constant maintenence to keep it out though.
Interesting Reply Hamons, I will give that a try.
Toxic Man,
I have played with Turflon, and Acclaim Extra. Do a google search on these chemicals along with Bermuda grass and you should find some university papers about this. I have used Both chemicals at Max strength on Tall fescue in drought stress, with very little phytotoxicity. It needs to be applied every 28 days for 4-5 months a year for two years. Now the down side, and that is cost, which runs about $6/1000sq-ft chemical cost, long before you add labour, profit, other expenses etc. Now you can still get good control at a reduce rate, but I have not had time to try that this year.
Hope that helps.
P.S. Please read the label, it is the best friend you can have.
Best Regards
Bryn
Toxic Man,
I have played with Turflon, and Acclaim Extra. Do a google search on these chemicals along with Bermuda grass and you should find some university papers about this. I have used Both chemicals at Max strength on Tall fescue in drought stress, with very little phytotoxicity. It needs to be applied every 28 days for 4-5 months a year for two years. Now the down side, and that is cost, which runs about $6/1000sq-ft chemical cost, long before you add labour, profit, other expenses etc. Now you can still get good control at a reduce rate, but I have not had time to try that this year.
Hope that helps.
P.S. Please read the label, it is the best friend you can have.
Best Regards
Bryn
TurfUnlimited is correct, that is another indicated suppressant. I did not explain this in my previous post, but these chemicals are suppressants to Bermuda grass, and only common, not hybrid. As they suppress the Bermuda grass you need to apply for two years to get control. Sometimes the cost is not worth the effort. A kill down in mid summer with a good re-seeding in September might be more cost effective.
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Bryn
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This might sound silly, but you could just ignore it and follow a good fescue program. I have the same problem in my own yard. However, I have been slowly taking back my turf and its becoming more and more fescue. If you think about it a cool season program is great for fescue, but not so good for bermuda.
Aerate & overseed with fescue seed in sept. - I also do a good raking and actually remove some of the browing bermuda surface growth.
Fertilize in the Fall and Early winter. Fescue loves it, Bermuda hates it.
Use pre-ems in early spring. Stops weeds and shocks bermuda just when its getting ready to grow.
Don't fertilize in the summer. Bermuda is being starved, Fescue is being preserved. Use iron for color.
Repeat next season.
By building up a fescue lawn bermuda is kept under control. Also mowing high helps. If your lawn is being properly maintained for fescue, bermuda won't take over. However, if you don't build up a fescue lawn, the bermuda will not have competition and can take over.
SystemXpert
Aerate & overseed with fescue seed in sept. - I also do a good raking and actually remove some of the browing bermuda surface growth.
Fertilize in the Fall and Early winter. Fescue loves it, Bermuda hates it.
Use pre-ems in early spring. Stops weeds and shocks bermuda just when its getting ready to grow.
Don't fertilize in the summer. Bermuda is being starved, Fescue is being preserved. Use iron for color.
Repeat next season.
By building up a fescue lawn bermuda is kept under control. Also mowing high helps. If your lawn is being properly maintained for fescue, bermuda won't take over. However, if you don't build up a fescue lawn, the bermuda will not have competition and can take over.
SystemXpert
Those are awesome solutions. Thank you all.
There rarely are frosts in Ontario, but my business is split between Ontario and the high desert of So Cal. It does freeze up here, about 60 times a year. During those nights, it usually warms up to the 50's during the day.
Lou
There rarely are frosts in Ontario, but my business is split between Ontario and the high desert of So Cal. It does freeze up here, about 60 times a year. During those nights, it usually warms up to the 50's during the day.
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i have to agree with system expert. through proper fert and pre em applications, you can virtually rid most warmseason grasses without post ems.
I will also add that in our area, once you have bermuda in a fescue lawn it will never recede through regular management practices. Every summer the stand will get larger and larger as the fescue undergoes temperature stress. Bermuda would basically take over the world if it had its way.
You will need to supress it with herbicides in the long run.
Just to give you an idea of what happens here.....I moved to an existing home last year. Most of the lawn (loose term) was pasture-grade fescue such as KY31. By some method, bermuda found its way in from a nearby pasture in several areas. My plan has been to avoid fighting what will eventually happen. I seeded some improved common bermuda this year and will do even more next Spring. Right now, I have a beautiful stand of perennial rye as a temporary fall and winter solution. In this situation, it is much easier to spray out the fescue/rye and convert to the turf that will win out. Since this area is full sun with no irrigation, bermuda was a much better choice anyway to withstand summer conditions.
Sorry to ramble, but this was close to the topic.
You will need to supress it with herbicides in the long run.
Just to give you an idea of what happens here.....I moved to an existing home last year. Most of the lawn (loose term) was pasture-grade fescue such as KY31. By some method, bermuda found its way in from a nearby pasture in several areas. My plan has been to avoid fighting what will eventually happen. I seeded some improved common bermuda this year and will do even more next Spring. Right now, I have a beautiful stand of perennial rye as a temporary fall and winter solution. In this situation, it is much easier to spray out the fescue/rye and convert to the turf that will win out. Since this area is full sun with no irrigation, bermuda was a much better choice anyway to withstand summer conditions.
Sorry to ramble, but this was close to the topic.
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I have the smae prolems here as well. I want to get rid of the bermuda to all fescue.
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