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1/2 Ton diesel Spy report

Discussion in 'Trucks and Trailers' started by nosparkplugs, Jan 2, 2009.

  1. nosparkplugs

    nosparkplugs LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,445

    At this point it looks like GM will be the first on the scene early 2010 with a 1/2 ton diesel. Dodge is positioned next in line mid 2010. Ford will introduce last no date?, as a diesel F-150 would mean less profit from diesel Super Dutys and gasoline F-150's

    All the diesel engines will have a few things in common for example, similar displacement (GM 4.5L, Dodge 5.0L and Ford 4.4L) and V8 cylinder arrangements. Another thing they all share is a liquid urea emissions system known as selective catalytic reduction (SCR). Both Ford and GM use compacted graphite iron to strengthen their engine blocks, and reduce weight.
    The Cummins and Duramax engines both mount their single variable geometry turbo in the engine valley as to increase emission performance and simplify design. Ford, on the other hand, installed twin turbo chargers. All diesel equipped trucks will come loaded with high end premium packages, four doors, and six speed automatic transmissions. Customers shopping for a stripped down work truck will need to look elsewhere.:cry:

    GM Executive director says "quote"
    25% better "normal fuel economy" vs comparable gas model

    GM uses "under work condition"
    GM is touting 70% better fuel economy vs its comparable gas model under working conditions:dizzy: so the extra cost of the Diesel 1/2 ton "premium package" might be worth it.

    Cummins is tight lipped on their little diesel. Reports are saying 24.6MPG towing heavy loads

    The Dodge Cummins 1/ton will offer the largest rear end 10 1/2" ring gear semi floating AAM rear axle similar to the larger 3/4 ton trucks. GM will offer 9 1/2" ring gear semi floating axle. Ford 9 3/4" ring gear seven lug wheels similar to the semi floating rear axle of 7700 series F-250

    Ford is pleading the fifth, and is is not releasing much in reports. Possible 20% better fuel economy than a 5.4L gas engine
  2. stuvecorp

    stuvecorp LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,232

    I was reading that today and it's about time. BUT, what I am afraid of is they will jack the price up so much it wont really make sense compared to a 3/4 ton. I am hopeful about some of the mileage claims. With some voodoo, could we see some legit 30 mpg trucks?

    By the way, Ford is an idiot for not getting the truck out there.
  3. nosparkplugs

    nosparkplugs LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,445

    Ford has two issue it's their own or first diesel, their done with international, and Ford is stating the 1/2 ton diesel will directly compete with it's Superduty diesel sales.:dizzy:

    The auto companies know their per say? "slicing their own throats" with these diesels.

    Consumers will have the final say, and all three are highly profitable in the Euro diesel market. Overall these diesels will require less maintenance, higher cost maintenance, but less You add that to these huge gains in power torque & MPG, scratch the hybrid trucks & cars :laugh: Also these diesels will currently fit in all the SUV's midsize & luxury passenger cars with no or only minimal changes. The Duramax 4.5L will be the new premium Cadillac engine option soon with the wick turned up might I add over 450hp:cool2: more:clapping: 510lbft while getting 35mpg
  4. jefftb

    jefftb LawnSite Senior Member
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    That F150 has been creeping up for awhile into the base F250 category for towing but not hauling. I have a 2007 F150 CC 5.4 in my truck ownership fleet (along with a 97 F250 460 and the F350).

    I'd expect the F150 to get a bump in the next 2-3 years on payload and the F250 to disappear. Ford used to have the bast*** light duty 150/250 product before the new body styles.

    I think at this point you may well see the specs differentiate between the F350 and 450/550 in the engine/transmission category unlike today.

    I for one would embrace the diesel F150 and would look to it as the crew truck of choice with one or two heavy duty trucks hauling/towing the light/medium duty excavators and track machines. The diesel F150 could fill a significant hole in the Ford product line.

    Looking at it today you have to spend the same amount on the F250 with diesel as the F350 diesel but the only difference is the payload in an SRW product. Towing is the same. Fundamentally there is no difference in those products.

    IMO, make the diesel F150 the entry (again, that a la carte pricing option model with a heavier duty option list), do away with the F250 and make the F350 the starting of the HD category. Then you really differentiate between the product lines.
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2009
  5. stuvecorp

    stuvecorp LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,232

    It is so lame that the auto companies have cars(Euro) that could have helped lesson this nonsense of high fuel prices. I think the auto companies should tell the oil companies to suck it and give us the most fuel efficient vehicles. I don't know how much a smaller diesel truck would rob sales, isn't it two different markets?

    Also, why should we have to keep paying 'extra' for the diesels?
  6. jefftb

    jefftb LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 563

    FYI, for those of you that wonder why diesel is more expensive in the US and why the US may lag behind in diesel adoption, check this story out. It goes back a little in time but provides fairly good primer on the US Diesel production issues and our costs. Trust me, despite it being a C&D article there is good information in there.....Click the link.

  7. stuvecorp

    stuvecorp LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,232

    I see how it could pull sales from Jeff's point. For me I see the goal of getting more fuel efficient trucks to help curb our countries consumption of fuel as a goal we all should be on board.
  8. stuvecorp

    stuvecorp LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,232

    That's interesting. How much does it help with diesels getting better mileage? Or we can throw the biodiesel wildcard, would that help at all?
  9. jefftb

    jefftb LawnSite Senior Member
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    That's why I see it as a good crew truck under my scenario described above. We spend an awful lot on fuel with our 250/350's running down the road with 2-3-4 crew members in them. A lot of those days the trucks do not haul/tow anything that a diesel F150 could not. If that truck could get 25+ MPG then I could balance our truck purchases based on necessity and deliverables instead of saying today, "oh well, we need this F250 just because the diesel is available in it".

    The US needs more lighter duty diesels available in the commercial market to meet that fuel efficiency target.
  10. jefftb

    jefftb LawnSite Senior Member
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    I get chapped with the Biodiesel option. It should be cheaper since the resources are cheaper and are relatively easier to come by. However, in my area I only have two sources of BD-the farmers co-op and a private marketer.

    The co-op is remote from me and the private marketer puts B5 blend on the market at a higher price point than straight diesel. They are trading at a premium on the higher sulfur concentration of the B5 blend. Yep, my 2003 F350 runs better on it than ULSD but c'mon.

    YMMV in your markets on BD.

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