2 cycle trimmers

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by FFMED74, Feb 28, 2004.

  1. FFMED74

    FFMED74 LawnSite Member
    from Indiana
    Messages: 242

    Went to an open house today and spoke with the Echo rep. He told me that echo is going to soon be the only 2 cycle manufacturer of Trimmers due to the other guys not being able to meet emissions standards and they were all having to go to a quasi 4 cycle engine. Has anyone heard this too? I thought it was interesting.
  2. metro-hp_48

    metro-hp_48 LawnSite Senior Member
    from TN
    Messages: 874

    Sure hope not. Nothing against Echo, but just not my brand.

    I would never believe it.
  3. iluvbermuda

    iluvbermuda LawnSite Member
    from S/E TN
    Messages: 108

    I talked to my Stihl guy last wek amd he said the same thing.
  4. FFMED74

    FFMED74 LawnSite Member
    from Indiana
    Messages: 242

    metro-hp-48 don't worry too much your brand will still make trimmers just a different design, btw I demo'd the Exmark turf tracer there, VERY cool, may have to get my first X, A little high on what I called the demo model, new was $4699 and the demo was $4499? I questions him about that price....Said he'd see what he could do.
  5. outrunjason

    outrunjason LawnSite Senior Member
    from dallas
    Messages: 719

    It's true! Echo has been able to meet emission standards
    with thier 2 cycles. I don't know about others but STHIL was not able to but they have come out with something called a 4 mix. Not sure if it is out. It's almost like a 2 cycle. You still mix the gas and oil together. Only draw back is it weighs several ounces more than a normal STHIL.

    I wouldn't buy an echo!

  6. metro-hp_48

    metro-hp_48 LawnSite Senior Member
    from TN
    Messages: 874

    Hmmm. Going to have to investigate this situation. Doesn't really matter, I have enough of my brand to last me a lifetime.
    (Glad I just put in a new piston/rings in mine last season in my favorite one) Nobody at my dealer could understand how I got a replacement carb. that was adjustible. They ordered it for me.
    They said it was not supposed to be in the US. Don't know.
  7. Grass Master

    Grass Master LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 328

    Echo will be one of the very few manufacturers continuing on with lightweight powerful 2 cycle engines....

    4 cycle/ 4 mix engines are heavier (just try them and you will see...don't believe everything you read!!) and they have many more moving parts 18 to 20 moving parts to wear and fail as opposed to 3 moving parts in a 2 cycle engine..PLUS...4 cycle/ 4 mix need much more maintenance over time...MUCH more...valve adjustments etc. every 150 hours or so.....how much do you use your trimmers, blowers etc.....150 hours is NOT long! Keep in mind...if 4 cycle 4 mix type engines were so good manufacturers would have made them LONG ago....now, because they cannot meet emmissions, these companies have to make you think that 4 stroke /4 mix is the only way to go!!

    Echo's new stuff is awesome..great power, just make sure you are getting "Power Boost Tornado" enignes with the better carbs.

    Very nice stuff!!
  8. PaulJ

    PaulJ LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,774

    By about 2008 there won't be anything that uses mix gas. I read about an engine that operates as a 2-cycle but uses reg, gas and has a separate oil space in the crank case.

    maybe diesel trimmers will be next?
  9. MOturkey

    MOturkey LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,782

    I bought a new Echo with the "tornado" engine last summer. Great cutting trimmer. The local dealer carries three other brands, but I was leaning towards Echo because of a friend of mine with a lawn service. He has a couple, one of which he bought used, and has absolutely worked the things to death for the past 5 years. Plus, he is ROUGH on equipment. The did tell him the last time he took the oldest trimmer in for repairs that this was probably the last time it would be worth fixing.
  10. lawnlubber

    lawnlubber LawnSite Member
    Messages: 186

    When they phase out the Stihl 2-cycle I hope you can still get parts?

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