21" down to three choices

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by drman63, Apr 27, 2011.

  1. drman63

    drman63 LawnSite Member
    Messages: 27

    This will be for bagging only.
    1.Toro 20197 super bagger with Honda engine (160) $619.99
    2.Honda HRX 217K2 HXA with Honda engine (190) $679.99
    3.Snapper CP216019KWV commercial with Kawasaki FJ180V OHV $899.00
    Manufacturer: Snapper Model: 7800194

    Ok I have heard the snapper is the better bagger, the Honda the better mower and toro does a good job to. I want a mower that will last and baggs really well with less time dumping (better fill). Thanks for any help You can give.

    And is side discharge better or rear for bagging?
    Last edited: Apr 27, 2011
  2. twobuckss

    twobuckss LawnSite Member
    Messages: 57

    id go with the honda..bagger is so simple to get on and off..i have a cub cadet which has side chute similar to the snapper and it constantly clogs..you also have to push aside the pull start cord everytime you take the bag on and off..gets real old..im going to check today if mine is missing some type of bracket to hold it to the side..food for thought..
  3. LawnTamer

    LawnTamer LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,986

    I have had four of the Toros, ranging from the $1,100 proline down and currently have a Honda HRX 217. I LOVE the Honda, it cuts better than the Toro (and I am a Toro nut), it is lighter, it mulches better, (a lot of lawns I used to bag I now don't even bother, and no one notices or cares.) The composite deck is light weight and tough as nails. After 5+ years of commercial use it is still in perfect shape. We only use a 21" where bigger equipment will not fit, this mower goes up and down stairs every week, gets pulled over landscape boulders, and all I have had to do, other than general maintenance, in 5+ years is replace the bolts which mount the handle. Cost me about $3.

    On the whole, the Honda out performs every 21" Toro I have ever owned, and every Snapper I have ever used. Great mower.
  4. drman63

    drman63 LawnSite Member
    Messages: 27

    Thanks guys I believe the honda is the way to go from your comments. That's what I love about this forum. Real people using the equipment with professional advise.
  5. All_Toro_4ME

    All_Toro_4ME LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,578

    Yes, definately the Honda is the best choice for the models you listed. The bag is so much easier to put on and take off compared to other brands. I've used both, the honda and the proline, and prefer the honda.
  6. lawnboy dan

    lawnboy dan LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,716

    never ever buy a snapper as your only mower. they break all the time and give a horriable cut. mine get used for leaf cleanup ONLY

    KINGMADE LawnSite Member
    Messages: 237

    Don't listen to Dan, he is a constant snapper hater. I doubt he ever owned one or a decent one. I run 2 snappers and love them both. No problems out of either one yet. If that honda transmission ever goes you are out 250-350 If the snapper tranny fails you may be looking at 90 bucks in parts and a monkey could install it. I however do not like the kawa on the snapper. I too would probably look at that honda real hard at that price.
  8. Southern Pride

    Southern Pride LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Memphis
    Messages: 1,382

    I agree with the others. Just go physically check out each mower and see which one has features that will suit your needs best.

    My little John Deere has a killer feature, it has ONE lever that adjusted the height versus having to independently set each wheel. If one of these mowers has that, you'll love it. Another thing is to check for ease of removing the bagger on each mower. Sounds like Honda would be your best bet.

    just my .02

  9. ed2hess

    ed2hess LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,567

    You are right on with this advise.....a snapper with the Honda engine will be the only way I will go, I have had tooo many problems with that Kaw recoil and shear pins.
  10. lawnboy dan

    lawnboy dan LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,716

    on the contrary-i have 13 snappers and 10 have robin engines-its all i use from nov-march doing cleanups. i know them all to well and the drive sys is a joke! good thing its easy to repair cause somthing is ALWAYS breaking. worst cut of any mower i have ever seen also and just try bagging in the am dew or when its wet or damp after a rain. try mowing a slope and see what happens-got you on this one! snappers have their place in this biz but i would not have them as my only mowers.

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