21 Inch Commercial Push

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by GreenShoesLC, Jun 24, 2010.

  1. B Gillespie

    B Gillespie LawnSite Member
    Messages: 170

    Snapper has two different commercial deck designs. One is primarily for mulching but also bags, and you can guess what the High Vac Bagger is intended for.

    My Snapper is a High Vac model. I have a mulch kit for it, and will be spending more time with it and the Honda HRC push over the next few weeks. I'll post my opinions afterward.
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  2. dwost

    dwost LawnSite Bronze Member
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  3. GreenShoesLC

    GreenShoesLC LawnSite Member
    Messages: 37

    Thanks for all the advice guys, I'm going to go demo an Ariens/Gravely Pro 21" and a Snapper Hi-Vac Commercial. We'll see which one bags the best. Although I hafta admit I really like the bag design on the snappers.
  4. Dnryan

    Dnryan LawnSite Member
    Messages: 55

    the only other thing i would suggest is that if u are going to primarily run the mower for mulching, no matter what make you get, i cannot say enough for the "ninja blade" snapper has out. It's kind of weird design but it does a really good job of shredding the clippings into nothing. Not to expensive either for them. I think the dealer here sells them for about $30-35. awesome blade for mulching, but not so good if your bagging because of the way its designed to throw the clippings around under the deck. hope whatever you get works for you. good luck.
  5. Bake71

    Bake71 LawnSite Member
    from NEAR
    Messages: 1

    Most everybody has had the exact opposite experience with snapper commercial mowers I have had this year. The reason I went with Snapper was because it was hard to find many really negative experiences. That fact and the price of the Snappers compared to other competitor models was too much for me not go with the snapper commercial push and s50x ZTR.

    On the snapper 21" push w/6.0 kawasaki, which has seen very little use since purchased in may has several annoying features in my limited use. Finally, last night the damn drive engage lever that sticks straight up in the air and has been a real pain to operate or when sitting on the trailer being a snag magnet broke. It has always been great cutting and bags full wet or dry but i didn't like some design stuff after getting a few hours usage with it. Its got some really rickety crap little design things i felt would go from annoying to frustrating, especially considering this is commercial line equipment. Along with the drive lever snapping off while mowing late yesterday it was also hard as hell to start yesterday for the first time. It has always started on the first pull until yesterday...go figure?? The routing of the pull start around the bagger is crap in my opinion and problems waiting to happen and i was right. For whatever reason, the recoil tension had noticeably dropped and since it didnt want to start after pulling several times the rope lacked sufficient tension to stay around a little pulley that routes it around the bagger...sorry, i like straight lines with stuff like that.

    Anyway, i have had nothing but trouble with of my snapper pro mowers. I'm cutting this rant off and not getting specific with the ztr issues but suffice it to say i really wish i would have purchased another brand. If I had a crew trying to use this crap I can't imagine how much worse it would be...it's just me and a helper and i'm in equipment issue hell since day one. To compound the poor decision i made, my dealer sucks at doing anything more than taking money. Oh well, live and learn...i'm gonna be one smart dude come the day i die!!
  6. Alan0354

    Alan0354 LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,450

    Actually the Toro "Commercial 21" is the lightest commercial mower I have seen. It is only 90lbs. It only has the Honda GSV190 engine.
  7. GreenShoesLC

    GreenShoesLC LawnSite Member
    Messages: 37

    took a look at the snapper hi vac commercial, the honda hrc and an ariens/gravely pro 21. honda was best mulcher, and bagged well, very disapointed w/ the snapper. Bagging was not as good as the ariens/gravely. Thinking of going with the Ariens/Gravely
  8. Yard-Dawg

    Yard-Dawg LawnSite Member
    Messages: 44

    Hello Neighbour GreenShoes::canadaflag:
    I know what you mean when you refer to spring growth, and I also bag everything I cut.
    I have also used the Snapper Hi-Vac and after 3 days of fighting with that stupid bag design, drive engage lever, and recoil rope routing. I took the mower and dropped it off in my Snapper territory Reps yard and told him is was a poor excuse for a commercial mower, although I did like the preformance of the Kawi FJ180 motor. The price was 1/2 of MSRP and I still walked away!

    I bought an Ariens Pro-21 with the same Kawi FJ180 on it. That mower will do anything I ask of it and the design is very easy to use. I can empty the bag on the PRO-21 in less time than I could remove the bag on the snapper. The bail lever design is many times better than the stupid Snapper design (I can't even think of a name for that design) and I don't have the recoil rope to untangle every time you pull on it because there is no plastic routing pulley used.

    I also have a Ariens LM-21 it is a great mower and is the first choice of the staff but it need the Kawi FJ180 to be a great mower....mine has the Techumseh Vector motor.

    Along with the two Ariens mowers I have a few of the older Deeres. The new Deere mowers are crap and when the dealer tried to get me to take one on a demo, I refused to take it out of the show room. I told him I would not use that crap on any lawn nor would I expect my staff to operate junk like that, call me when Deere makes a good mower again!:walking:

    The snapper mower design seems to be just a bunch of after thoughts on the part of the design engineer that is totally removed from his field! I truely believe that anyone that has used a mower for a few hours could come up with a better design!
  9. GreenShoesLC

    GreenShoesLC LawnSite Member
    Messages: 37

    Nice to see another Canuck on here Yard-Dawg, I sympathize with the intense spring growth. You'll be happy to know I'm picking myself up an Ariens Pro 21 tomorrow.
  10. dgw

    dgw LawnSite Bronze Member
    from OH
    Messages: 1,008

    i like the good old 2 cycle lawnboys

    ans there is about 20 of them a day on craigs list for between 80-100 bucks

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