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4 in 1 fertilizer??????

Discussion in 'Fertilizer Application' started by lawnkid, Sep 15, 2002.

  1. lawnkid

    lawnkid LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 935

    Is there a fertilizer out there that has like everything in one bag? I mean like weed killer, insecticide, crabgrass killer, andlkie turf builer all inside? This would be so beacause if i aerate within the next week or so, some of my lawns need anapplication of insecticide, and sme just need like lawn food. Which brand has worked best for your use on your lawns? I would like to know so I cqan get ti as soon as possible. This migh be a big moneymaker. :D
  2. wmsland

    wmsland LawnSite Member
    from NE OHIO
    Messages: 127

    Never heard of such a product, I don't think it would be very practical since you need to withhold water from the weed control part of it and water in the insecticide part of it. Plus you would also need an applicators license to put it down.
  3. KLMlawn

    KLMlawn LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 443

    NO, to my knowledge, there is no such "combo" product on the market. Combining fert and say 2 insect controls would be a good idea, or Fert and two herbicides, but I really don't think that a fert with herbicide and insecticide would work well......
  4. awm

    awm LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,354

    u could do it yourself but ,better do research ,to find out what can safely be mixed . in some cases one might neutralize the other ,and theres always the possibility of creating a monster that has unexpected results. just speculating ,as i just use specific problem solvers ,
  5. tremor

    tremor LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,476

    Lebanon produces a Fert with Dimension & Confront. Maybe they'll still have some for the start of the 2003 season?

    In years past, there were some attempts made at combining Team with Dursban. This was a miserable failure. Even atv 50% of the full strength, this was a dusty proposition. There just isn't enough "room" on a fertilizer prill to apply enough of either of the 2 materials at the strength that would allow for full performance. So the past attempts have only yielded a "split app" 1/2 strength material that needed to be applied twice.

    Fertilizer combination products are made by applying the pesticide to the OUTSIDE of the prill after the fert has been blended. Regardless of what marketing claims have been made. That's the way it is. There is no penetration of activeby engineered design.

    Some pesticides are hard to "make stick" by themselves. Adding another element to the mix just complicates things that much more.

    Since Dimension & Confront are both highly active at low rates, they made for an attractive package once the production details were worked out. The fact that DOW owned both products didn't hurt.

    With Confront being removed from the residential lawn care market, we can kiss that all goodbye.

    A possibility may have been Dimension, with Confront & Talstar, since all of them are "low AI" products. I don't know if they would have all been compatible though. Since DOW doesn't own Talstar (FMC does), it won't happen any time soon.

    If a new "low active" post emergant herbicide comes along, & we get some cooperation from the owners, then maybe someday.

    The other option is to wait for patents to expire.

  6. Chad@LebanonTurf

    Chad@LebanonTurf Inactive
    Messages: 30

    Lebanon does not produce a Dimension/Confront product! We do however produce a Team/Cinfront product that has done extremely well. Of course this product is totally homogeneous and look for a Dimension /Confront product to be coming soon. Confront labels will remain the same for the entire year in 2003 and Dow will have a new formulation of Confront sometime before the end of 2003.
  7. lawnkid

    lawnkid LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 935

    I'm questioning you guys about this because next weekend, I plan to set that date for a one-time aeration day for now. Anyway, I'm debating whether i should put seed down after aerating or fertilizer and which kind of Fertilizer. Which fertilizer Brand works best for you Professional Lawn Maintainance contractors?
  8. tremor

    tremor LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,476

    My mistake. I used Team for years & was very pleased with the Spurge control I got when used in a split app (2#ai/a, twice, 8 weeks apart) program.

    Dimension with a good post-emerge will be nice.

    Any preliminary cost expectations?

  9. tremor

    tremor LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,476


    I'll wager that Leb & I will display some fairly predictable prejudices with respect to brand names.

    However when seeding & aerating, try to establish as much seed to soil contact as possible. Holes alone, spaced several inches apart from one another, don't create an ideal seed bed. Dragging after areating will loosen the cores & that is helpful. But a verti-cutting action is even better if that's an option for you.

    The fertilizer you select should deliver about 1 Lb of P & 1/2 - 3/4 lbs of N & K. The more slow release the N & K, the better, as in most situations.

    My new favorite is our new NOVEX based 16-24-11 with MAP, SOP, & 63% Total Slow Release N. The salt content is so low, I've had customers apply (with the 19-2-19) as much as 5 lbs of N with no trouble at all. Test plots have gone up to 7 lbs of actual N so far with no burn. You DON'T need to do that with a new seeding though.

    Any good 25-75% coated slow release material will get the job done. But you might want to follow that up with another higher N application just as the canopy stops growing in another 6-10 weeks.

    Lime delivers (among other things) calcium which new plantings benefit from too.

    Let us know what you did & how it works.


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