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4 or 5 step program?

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by instyle, Mar 6, 2006.

  1. instyle

    instyle LawnSite Senior Member
    from Canada
    Messages: 380

    I am new to cheicals, I read that most people are 4 step. Pre-emmergent, weed and feed, weed and feed, and fertalizer. Is this the best set up?

    Jason from Canada
  2. Killswitch

    Killswitch LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 438

    4 to 5 apps is a good program with subsurface insect control as an additinal service if grubs are a problem in your area.

    Only Tru Green does 7 regular or more apps here and thats criminal in my opinion.
  3. firedude26

    firedude26 LawnSite Senior Member
    from Mich
    Messages: 269

    I agree with the 5 apps, that is our main program, we do have people that WANT 7 apps, for some reason the have it stuck in there head they need them.

    DUSTYCEDAR LawnSite Fanatic
    from PA
    Messages: 5,132

    6to 8 apps is the norm here
  5. Considering a four step program is adequate her, in fact three would work find after a couple of years, I would think 4 app in your area is plenty
  6. QualityLawnCare4u

    QualityLawnCare4u LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,758

    This is a good question. I to was wondering about this since this is also new territiory to me. How long after each application should you wait before the next one and also what if your yard already has a lot of weeds in it? Im working on my late fathers yard and it has great soil but a lot of weeds. Im trying to get the weeds choked out and get the St. Augustine to start taking back over. Most of the grass he has is winter annual blue grass. Its not a bad looking grass but I dont like it and its not what I want.
  7. Killswitch

    Killswitch LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 438

    I've been doing this a long time and whilst some of my methods and knowledge is old school I still adhere to and stand behind the no more than 2lbs of N pr 1000 in the growing season.

    Thats something I learned 20 years ago before and sortof during the changeover to mulching mowers and leaving clippings behind....Which, can add a lot of useable nitrogen back to the soil.

    "It's Pie, and Chips....For Free!" lol

    Now back in the day when I started with Davey....and Tru Green they were applying 1 pound of N per app....and did four with an optional late fall feeding.

    Now...at TGCL they apply 7 apps and you're lucky to get a half pound each time. Basically they made the apps weaker and spread them out .....increasing profits.

    Its not unlike how TGCL grows rapidly as they buy every lawn care company in their way.

    Bottom line is.....dont model your agronomics after TGCL. Or anyone else that does more than a reasonable amount of applications per year. Not only that....a lot of us cut grass too and over fertilizing is common place.

    Easy on the fert....heavy on the irrigation, aeration and proper mowing.

    No tricks
  8. philk17088

    philk17088 LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 17,386

    Penn State has been recommending 4-5 lbs N per year forever for a home lawn in Zone 6. Why do you feel 2# is sufficient?
  9. Xterminator

    Xterminator LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 279

    I put down 7 apps per year. Everyone in the area does also why put down less and miss out on the extra money. If you Charge More for the apps. and put down less rounds people come in and bill monthly to make it look cheaper

  10. I bet detroit , michigan is in zone 5, maybe zone 4, their is one difference.

    I only put down ~3 lbs, I'm in zone 7, growing cool season.

    What about the different sources of n, and the amount of n that you will lose.

    these are all factors!!!

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