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$42.50 for 1.33 hrs (2 man crew)????

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by wesLESCO48, May 19, 2002.

  1. wesLESCO48

    wesLESCO48 LawnSite Member
    Messages: 27

    I get a call thursday for a request to submit a bid
    to a residential customer next door to an existing client.
    The lady says she's having trouble getting her lco to
    perform the tasks she requests, mainly blowing out her
    rock beds. So i and my wife go and meet with the home
    owners and we walk the property and discuss its needs.
    After this i walk to the truck get out the measuring wheel
    and get my turf, edging and trimming measurments.
    I calculate my time based on measurements and come up
    with my bid $87.50/per visit(1.25 crew hrs. @ $70/crew hr.)
    Oh by the way the property is about 10,000sq.ft. turf and
    1,500 linear ft. trimming and edging, all beds blown and
    clippings bagged and removed from property. I could only
    use a 21'' mower on the property due to the tight landscaping
    and steep slopes in the back yard ( which the only access
    is pulling the mower up steps in the carport area). The
    lady mentions that the lco sends a 2 man crew and that
    they usually 1.5 hrs. to do the job. Anyway today she calls
    me and asks how much is the bid so i tell her $350/month
    and she sounds like she's going to have a heart attack.
    She tells me her lco is doing it for $170/month(4visits).
    I then begin to tell her she better kiss their A** for that
    price. I guess my question is how do you keep from getting
    discouraged in these situations. Also how can someone
    afford to charge $16/hr. I guess I'm going to have to focus
    on the garden home and town home subs. where i can charge
    $35-$45/ hr. Sorry for the long post but this Pi****
    me off.
  2. First I would have told her to buy a pushmower cause we don't use one.

    Second 1.5 hours to pushmow that hahahahah more like 1/2 hour total.

    I think their price is right on and your's is way to high.

    BTW I get $34 a man hour for 5 hours total on the job a month.
  3. wesLESCO48

    wesLESCO48 LawnSite Member
    Messages: 27

    Yeah it may take .5 hours to mow PLUS another .5 to Trim and
    edge, then .25- .50 hrs. to blow the debris out of the beds
    that comes from all their trees. Lets see you do all that in
    a half hour SMART A**. You need to re-read the post, i stated
    it took the lco, consisting of 2 MEN 1.33hrs for $42.5 which
    equals 2.66 MAN HOURS so do the math $42.5/2.66 equals
    $15.98 a man hr. Plus I needed to add more time for blowing
    the beds (that was her complaint). If you can make money
    bidding like this good but i need more, my expenses aren't far from $15.98/hr. I think you weren't paying attention when i
    said 1.33 CREW HOURS(2 man crew) or you don't know the
    difference between CREW HOURS and MAN HOURS. Maybe
    its just your math skills. Oh by the way, why not try to be
    more civil in your replies and not such a smart a**?
  4. MikeLT1Z28

    MikeLT1Z28 LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,732

    **sits down in his easy chair with a coke and some popcorn, this oughtta get good**

    wes, mike knows his business, he was actually featured in Turf Mag a few months back, he is highly respected here and i don't think he was being a smart @$$.
  5. Now it gets tricky.

    Add .5-.5 and .25 together and I get 1.25 man hours. Humm your figures.

    Now divide that into $42.5 what ya got? I get $34 a man hour.

    Do YOUR math again!!!!!

    Even at 1.5 man hours I still get $28.33

    What you typed is everything doubled.

    I did read the post very well before I replied.

    First customers times are never correct!!!!

    Second if that job takes all of almost 3 man hours, no one will ever get $80 for it.

    Third 1500 linar feet of trimming should take no more than 1/2 hour, if it does then your walking to slow.

    Sence I can't see the lawn there is no reason to arguee, but if you isist.

    I thought my post was rather cival, and gave you another prospective, but if you don't want it smart azz, then I wont post to your threads again.

    I do know the difference between crew and man hours.
  6. wesLESCO48

    wesLESCO48 LawnSite Member
    Messages: 27

    Sorry, but i guess i took your post the wrong way.
    PLEASE help me figure this out, I'm solo the majority
    of the time, if their 2 guys are on the property 1.25-1.33 hrs
    isn't that equal to 2.50-2.66 man hrs? I added an additional
    10-15 minutes for blowing out the beds meticulously,
    because thats what the homeowners want, although
    it sounds like they don't want to pay for it . It did seem
    like quite a long time when i calculated the bid, because
    i do her neighbors in 45-55 minutes alone, but i can use my
    walker on it.
    I try to charge $35 hr. or more for myself
    so shouldn't i try to charge double that
    if i have someone helping me?
    If i am wrong with my numbers somewhere
    let me know where.
    As far as the hrs. i'm going by what the home owner
    told me, 2 guys at the property for an hour and 15 or 20
    minutes and i based mine off footage and got the same
    times , 1 guy around 2.5 hrs@35/hr=$87.5, 2 guys 1.25 hrs@70/hr=$87.5
    If the other LCO is charging $42.5 for 2 guys and it takes
    them 1.25 hrs aren't they only making $17 a man hr.( its
    not uncommon for people to charge that). Here is how
    i calculated it $42.5/1.25 equals $34/2 equals $17.
    Pehaps i'm presenting the #'s wrong or something.
    Again i'm sorry for getting defensive, i do value everyones
  7. KirbysLawn

    KirbysLawn Millenium Member
    Messages: 3,485

    If it involves push mowing I'm not interested anyway, sounds like more trouble than it's going to be worth. Since I have a 11k lawn and it used to take us 2-2.5 hours to push mow, trim, and clean I would say ask for what you wish and walk away if she is not going to pay, I think your figure is too high but you know your bottom line and know what you need to make a living.
  8. wesLESCO48

    wesLESCO48 LawnSite Member
    Messages: 27

    Thanks for the reply Kirbyslawn. If you dont mind my asking
    how much were you charging for the lawn that took
    2-2.5 hrs with a pushmower. I was bidding so i would
    be happy if i got it or not. Do most of you guys charge
    more or less to use a trim mower? I try to charge the
    same rate as i would for my other mowers because of
    the hassle involved, even though i know it takes 3-4
    times as long. Maybe i should have just asked for help
    in bidding this property because i only have 1 property
    that i push mow the entire thing. I make $110/visit
    and it takes 2.75-3.0 hrs.(commercial with steep banks).
    My bid was in the middle, i got the account because
    it was a referal.
  9. KirbysLawn

    KirbysLawn Millenium Member
    Messages: 3,485

    It was my home lawn...I have never push mowed anyone elses lawn.
  10. kris

    kris LawnSite Bronze Member
    from nowhere
    Messages: 1,578

    Oh man ..im gonna bite my tonque on this one ...id get banned for what i would like to type.

    I think your bid is good... you've done the measuring..you know how long it will take from previous experience and you know what you need to make a living. Walk away from it and don't let it bother you.

    Don't worry what other guys say to you here... take what you want and leave the other bull#$%^ behind.

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