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50/50 KBG-RYE overseed rate help

Discussion in 'Turf Renovation' started by GripB, Aug 21, 2005.

  1. GripB

    GripB LawnSite Member
    Messages: 215

    What rate should I use for overseeding an established lawn? It's the Lesco 50/50 KBG-RYE mix. I havn't bought the stuff yet, so I can't check the label for the rate (I'm just trying to figure out how much to buy)
    Thanks in advance :)
  2. joshua

    joshua LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,226

    no don't buy the 50/50 mix, its a waist of money. buy a mix of 80/20 kbg/per. rye. or just buy a straight kbg or per.rye mix. you won't have good results with the 50/50 mix.
  3. GripB

    GripB LawnSite Member
    Messages: 215

    How come? Isn't there enough kbg in the 50/50 mix?
  4. PSUturf

    PSUturf LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 663

    Joshua is right. If you have a mix with more than 20-25% perennial rye the rye will out compete any other seed in the mix.

    The seeding rate for new turf is : Kentucky bluegrass 2lbs / 1000 sq ft
    Perennial rye 4-8 lbs / 100 sg ft
    Adjust rate according to how thin the turf is.
  5. The mayor

    The mayor LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 592

    I will have to agree on the 80/20 or 70/30 kbg rye mix. But I find that it does take more water than the homeowner is willing to do. I hear from them that they will keep up with the watering program but they never do and end up with lousy results. With a 50/50 mix they see the rye pop up within a week. Alot of homeowners want instant results with little or no effert on their part. Something to keep in mind.
  6. I'll agree with the 20-25% ratio

    I would seed k bluegrass at 2-3 lbs/m and p ryegrass at5-6 lbs/m if trying to establish a new lawn
  7. Killswitch

    Killswitch LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 438

    Depending on what the existing turf is like you may just want to use Lescos Double Eagle perennial rye.

    I love the stuff personally.
  8. GripB

    GripB LawnSite Member
    Messages: 215

    The last time I overseeded I used Lesco Eagle Blend + Blue (70% rye & 30% blue). I'd like more of an equal mix of the two; that's why I was thinking 50/50. The turf is three years old and in good shape; a few patches from this summer stress but overall it's in good shape.
    Sounds like I should just use straight blue seed, huh? Thoughts?
    Thanks in advance guys!
  9. turfsurfer

    turfsurfer LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 364

    I've had pretty good success with the 50/50 mix myself. Seed at 4-5 lbs per 1000 sq ft. to ensure good success. Yes, I know that is higher than the recommended rate, but then the label rate is for ideal growing conditions (wanna bet on the customer providing ideal growing conditions?).
  10. Killswitch

    Killswitch LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 438

    Not only that its my understanding that an 80% germ rate on ideal conditions is a good rate.

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