Thank you all very much for all your help. Does anyone have any opinions on the john deere zero turns z445 or z645 I believe also the 900 series john deere zero turns. I really like the gravelys and had the ability to demo them, problem is the 152 handles are to tight for my liking, does anyone know if the 452 handles can be installed on the 252? Dealer is researching for me as well. Around my area many dealers are pushing the hustlers Fastrak sd but not sure how this and the gravely 252 stack up against each other?? The scag guys around here we're complaining about the bagger getting clogged at times ?