Gregg / Matt: I'll take your advise and just keep my nose out of it. Just so you will understand my position, I look at it like this: If you were a irrigation guy here in my neighborhood, and was looking for a quick lesson in lighting, I would have a real problem with these guys helping you take business from me. There are far too many non-lighting pros in my area who install lights just for the extra money. Ultimately, I end up having to fix or undo these installations because someone like yourself didn't take the time to learn enough about this trade before getting into (then out of) the business. Sorry to step on your toes, but you don't see me over in the irrigation forum trying to learn irrigation do you? If my irrigation needs work, or if I have a customer who needs an irrigation system, I will refer them to a professional who can do the job adequately. Have a Merry Christmas.