A lot of interesting thoughts here. Keep in mind that money doesn't make good employees and it barely keeps the good ones around. I've had guys that worked their butts off for me and over the course of several years wound up making good money. As it turned out the more they made the less they wanted to work. There was a good reason for this. They were originally hired for a certain job, as they made more money more was required of them. They didn't want that responsibility, also they really only needed so much a week to survive so if they could make the same amount in 40 hours as they could in 60 than there was no real motivation to stay the extra hours. Very rarely can you make a lawn technician a foreman or manager. Look at the big companies, some hire form within, but most of the time when a new position opens up they hire from outside. In the end an entry level lawn guy should make no more than 10-11 / hr. I've had guys with no experience demand 14-20 / hr. The problem is no one really needs to work. I had a guy that worked for me that actually quit because he lived better on welfare with food stamps, free heat, rental assistance, and medicaid than making 12/hr.