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A pondless waterfall

Discussion in 'Water Features' started by ANC Stone Creations, Jul 12, 2008.

  1. ANC Stone Creations

    ANC Stone Creations LawnSite Member
    Messages: 160

    Let me know what you guys think.

    As you may notice in the pictures, I choose not to use a kit as I don't think the spill ways on them look natural and also hard to hide.

    This one is at my house, front yard and it took about 3-4 hrs to build.
    The falls are about 39" wide and only fall about 22" I used a 45mil rubber firestone liner w/8oz underlayment, 4 cans of waterfall foam ( Rockin-foam ) 1 cal pump 5200 gph and plumbed w/ 1 1/2" flex pipe and custom pump chamber with adjustable valve to the waterfall and an additional valve for a clean-out via tee.

    Be honest let me know what you think about it.
    Like to to hear what people have to say + or -

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  2. phlandscaping

    phlandscaping LawnSite Member
    Messages: 92

    I like it, they look really good on corner lots right at the corner of two sidewalks! Looks like it's going to go over the sidewalk...
  3. ANC Stone Creations

    ANC Stone Creations LawnSite Member
    Messages: 160

    My next project for pondless application is going to be a 80' x 3' creek with waterfalls and step downs through out the creek.

    I will be using a cal pump 7500 gph ( Torpedo ) the water should be flowing pretty good around 6000 gph at the top of the falls.
  4. Venturewest

    Venturewest LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 516

    Looks really good. I like how your falls looks natural, not just some uniform steps or flagstone. Good job.
  5. Venturewest

    Venturewest LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 516

    The one thing I would change a little is on the burm around the top of the feature. I would take out a lot of the rock on the sides, add more topsoil to give a more gradual slope, and then add rocks here and there so it doesnt look like a pile so to speak. Also if you could find even 3 rocks twice as big as any other in the feature and use them it would help.
  6. Lite4

    Lite4 LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,173

    You should have used 2" pipe. You are not getting you full flow potential. In other words.... You wasted money buying a bigger pump by limiting how much water it could push through the pipe. You have minimal head pressure there. A 5200 gph pump equates to roughly 86 gpm. Check your pipe flow charts, 2" needed for full capacity flow. Always go with larger diameter pipe, especially when dealing with low pressure, high volume pumps. It puts less back pressure on the pump and prolongs life.
    That being said though, I like how you incorportated aquatics and terrestrials into the falls and edges. This will grow in a look very nice in about a years time and will soften the hard lines between where the waterfall ends the landscape beds begin.
  7. ANC Stone Creations

    ANC Stone Creations LawnSite Member
    Messages: 160

    That's funny you mentioned the 2" pipe because I have some laying around and I was thinking the exact same thing.

    On the next pondless stream I had mentioned I will be using a 4" flex pipe.

    Oh and I do plan on bringing in some topsoil and mulch for around the feature as well as some larger stones around it.
    Wanted to do some outcroppings, out with the sod in with the rocks.

    I will attach another feature with larger stone.
  8. ANC Stone Creations

    ANC Stone Creations LawnSite Member
    Messages: 160

    Here is another waterfalls I built it is about 8' tall and about 7' wide it is pondless with a 65' stream.

    Let me know what you guys think of this one, this one only took 3 days.
    It is pumping around 6000 gph.

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  9. Lite4

    Lite4 LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,173

    Too many small stones for my taste but that is just my opinion. I use large boulders when building mine. Everybody paints their portraits differently.
  10. ANC Stone Creations

    ANC Stone Creations LawnSite Member
    Messages: 160

    This was actually a waterfall renovation, they had a trickle to start with and they allready had that size of rock I had to match.

    The other thing I did not care to much for is all the different type of rock mixed.
    Looked like they got some rocks for free over here and there friends gave them some from over there ( who knows ) lol

    I too like to use larger rock on my projects, even if I wanted to use larger rock would not have been able to use mini excavator because of access and also septic issues, and most of the crane companies are at 30 days out.

    I will post some pictures of an upcoming project we plan to use 3-5 man rock ( nice ) just waiting on design work and permits at the moment, should be with in 1-2 months I hope.

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