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alfalfa, corn meal help (pics)

Discussion in 'Organic Lawn Care' started by playersc, Apr 28, 2009.

  1. playersc

    playersc LawnSite Member
    Messages: 46

    I got my hands on alot of alfalfa meal and corn meal and have a few questions.
    1) How much of either of these items to apply per 1000sqft?
    2) How often should I apply?
    3) Can or should I mix these items?
    This is on St. Augustine with an active fungus.
    Only synthetics have been applied for the past 5 years(nothing in 09).
    This lawn is irrigated.
    I have on hand ICT compost tea and NPP.
  2. DeepGreenLawn

    DeepGreenLawn LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,372

    wheres the fungus?
  3. treegal1

    treegal1 LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,911

    nice halo's dude, get the tea out and lay down the corn meal, it seems to select for tricoderma( the anti fungus)))))) maybe a one or 2 time app of bills npp, just go easy with it........
  4. terrapro

    terrapro LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,234

    Are theses feed grade meals? Your application rate should be around 1lb per 100sqft for each. You could go up to 2lb if you are feeling squirlly.

    I would save the alfalfa meal until after you get the bad fungus/bacteria under control. Apply the compost tea and the cornmeal and hope you have some good guys in that batch.

    Only synthetics for the last 5years, check your organic matter content, probably why you had a bloom of baddies.
  5. dishboy

    dishboy LawnSite Fanatic
    from zone 6
    Messages: 6,109

    20lbs per K with either of those feeds, you should get 10 or 12 weeks out of that, apply @ eight if you want more green than your first application is getting you. . If you have fungus and N levels are low I would throw 25 lbs/K of the corn meal for the first application.
  6. NattyLawn

    NattyLawn LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,643

    I'll preface this by stating I don't know a lot about southern grasses, I would first hit the lawn with the NPP. Then go back and apply the ICT, then come in with the meals or whatever it is your applying, in pretty close intervals. The NPP to kill the fungus, the ICT to bring back some biology, then the meals to feed the herd push some growth.
  7. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 18,334

    I would agree. When you see this it usually ends up being an unbalanced soil with not much SOM.

    Compost does a soil good!
  8. starry night

    starry night LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,263

    I don't want to get too far off playersc's topic but .......I just took over a lawn for a new client. Several spots of necrotic ring spot (or whatever it's being called today). No wonder, the previous LCO said to me "Good Luck, we really had to dump the Nitrogen on that lawn to keep it green and really increased the irrigation. too. My question about the fungus since I only I have a dozen spots totalling 20 sq ft: does it do any good to dig out the soil in these spots and change it?
  9. ICT Bill

    ICT Bill LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,115

    IMHO a total waste of time, it is not the soils fault that it has been abused. change the answer or question. The NPP will help a lot, you can move to your own cultural practices from there. Tea's, compost top dress, meals

    They had to increase irrigation because of all of the cheap fertilizer they were applying, its like eating a bag of chips, where's my water

    The Thread subject: hit it with the NPP come back with the Tea, if it is that high on NPK you may need a little before mid July before it gets too hot, but pour on the compost in the fall and spray tea every 3 to 4 weeks. would love to see the after pictures next year

    You may have to use the instructions on the back of the box for new construction soils, we just bioremeadiated a AAA ball field where the applicator applied 16X the amount of dimension that he was supposed to 6 months ago.

    Needless to say the spring seeding program did not go so well, it is peachy now, 4 weeks later
  10. starry night

    starry night LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,263

    Thanks Bill, I certainly intended to change the cultural practices but I just wondered about digging out the soil first. There's a little hole in my knowledge concerning disease and how to best handle it.

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