I am severly under-staffed and over-worked and when I get home I do the usuals and then get on the puter and read this forum. You would think that 13-14 hour days would be enough of this. Afterall, it's just grass and dirt were talking about. Lawn and landscape is just a language that my family is not fluent in quite yet. Since my discovery of this forum, it has been nice to find others in the biz to converse with who are not my local competitors. Local competitors don't want to talk to me period. This is sort of therapy for me, so thanks guys, to the administrator and thanks to you all.