Here is my view on low ballers and you probably won't like it! I've been in this business for 7 years. I'm 55 years old and run two mowing crews, one landscape crew of 2 and starting irrigation and outdoor lighting this year. So I've been around awhile. I have been reading your post and every once in a while I'll post or make a comment. A lot of the problem with the so call low-balling starts here. You guys are giving out all the trade secrets, telling everyone and anyone how to do, bid, repair, make flyers, give tips, on anything pertaining to this business. You tell what you charge, give pics of your lawns, equipment, everything you tell it all. This is a great site and we all get a good deal of information, but guys this is business, your business. It's not mine or the good buddy you have never seen in Ohio or Indiana. Do you think Kentucky Fried Chicken ever gave out that secret recipe for chicken? Did Wal-Mart tell everyone how to be the largest retailer in the world. Not on your life. Is our business so low down that we want to give important information to millions on the web. Most of you guys are young, under 25, wanting to grow your business and if you tell on this site that you will mow a 6,000 sq ft. lawn for $35.00. Then that tells me and millions other that I can do it for $25.00 and probably get a lot of them. I'm sorry if you don't see it this way.