I agree who's it going to hurt? If I go as a visitor & I get referals right away, then I would definately be leaning towards joining. To join with no referals is taking a huge leap of faith that referals will come. I don't care that there are no landscapers in the group, & I'd be stopping any from coming in, there hasn't been one in the group in my town for over a year, since the same guy I spoke with last year is still trying to get us in. With this economy & practically no work, I can't afford to be taking leaps. I have to be realistic, I'm not joining to make friends, and need somewhere to hang out early in the morning, it is all about driving the business, & if I can't be proven to me up front then I may have to pass. I have to make ends meet until the snow kicks in! Then maybe next yr I'll have more faith in taking leaps.