well where the landing is now on that wood deck, it is 3 feet, and then it looks like about a 6 inch step up into the house. So from the ground all the way up to the bottom of the door, it would be approx 3 feet, 6 inches. And if I can't figure this out then I will have to do something in wood, which I don't really want to do. We have a white PVC fence. I think the stone would look nicer, but wood is always a back up. My backyard is 50 feet wide, and 30 deep. from the bottom of the stairs, its probably about 20-25 feet because at that part the house comes out a bit, plus the width of the stairs take up some more room. And PicturePerfectPavers, that sounds like a cool idea. ANd it sounds pretty easy too. I am not an expert hardscaper, so the easier the better. Plus I dont have any fancy equipment or anything, so I wish it could be that easy.