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My partner and I just bid a 15 acre business.
They wanted it mowed weekly.
Easy Mowing 15 acres big straight area to go fast
Plus weed control on 2.5 acres of it.
Our bid $17,000.
$600 a time (26 times @ $40 per acre) plus
$1000 for a 3-step weed control about $3 per 1000 square feet
hedges trimmed a couple of times a year

the winning bid was $9,000 another bid was $19,500
my partner's hunting buddy worked there and gave us the scoop
after the fact

any help or suggestions.
 

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Figure out how you can mow it for under 9000. The business is most likely to take the lowest bidder, just like any other commercial account.

Todd

EDIT: Not trying to knock the commercial market, there is money to be made; but this is just being realistic. Most commercials will take the lowest bidder, and many times the lowest bidder will do a quality job. Keep this in mind when you are hunting out commercial accounts.
 

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Thier is a few companys by me that will charge 10 dollars an acre. They are doing it to try to weed out the other small companys. Thier 15' mowers are paid for and it dont take to long with a large mower vs a Z.
 

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Originally posted by terracare
Figure out how you can mow it for under 9000. The business is most likely to take the lowest bidder, just like any other commercial account.
Yeah, do it for 8 grand. Then next year someone can do it for 7 grand, the year after for 6. Get the point. The only reason commercial is cut throat is because everyone is scared to hold their ground. If everyone walked away instead of bending over, WE,WE,WE, would be the ones setting the standard for commercial pricing. I look at commercial bids as what I need to make a good profit. If the company wants to go buy all the equipment and get manpower to do what we do, and can do it cost effectively, let them. That will happen before I work for free.

With a bid of $17,000. There's no way you are going to trim the fat to get below 9 grand. Be real.
 

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The only commercial jobs worth having are the ones where you also do the owners residential home also. Price that low just let it go and let someone else lose money instead of you.
 

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Randy Scott,

If he can profit by bidding under 9000, which I agree doesn't sound very feasable in his situation, good for him. I am not telling him to undercut it just to get the work, but your attitude is entirely wrong (and right at the same time, if every commercial account thought like you and I about the (under)pricing in our industry). If he can profit by bidding this one at 9,000 or under and fill a slot in his schedule, I say go for it. It's 9000 bucks more in his pocket that he didnt have before. If he decides that this account is no longer in his best interest to maintain the next season because he has other, more profitable, jobs lined up, then get rid of it.

Just a word of advice before getting into price wars for commercial accounts tho... KNOW YOUR COSTS! Know all of your direct (labor, machines, gas, etc.) and indirect (phone, insurance, tax) expenses on a per hour rate before you get in there and bid it. If you can put a penny in your pocket, fill up a slot, and pay off that equipment, I say go for it. Just make sure you aren't losing money. Good luck

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Originally posted by terracare
Figure out how you can mow it for under 9000. The business is most likely to take the lowest bidder, just like any other commercial account.

Not trying to knock the commercial market, there is money to be made; but this is just being realistic. Most commercials will take the lowest bidder, and many times the lowest bidder will do a quality job. Keep this in mind when you are hunting out commercial accounts.
Your kiddin right??? Figure out how to mow it for under $9000???..You dont see the big picture. There is ferts, hedges etc...

Damn fellas, its a no brainer....Let these idiots go out an grab all these commercials for peanuts!! They think they are somethin after winnin a $9000 bid. Lets see how much they think of thierselves come the end of the year......I dont care how many mowers they have, an how big they are. They are just plain ignorant, and chances are they are just picking up work to keep the help busy...

I Hope they grab em all! Then I wont have to worry about them bidding on high end residentials. You know, the people that really appreciate the work you do for em......The people that want thier yards lookin good...

I dont bid on commercials at all anymore. I am to expensive, an I am not about to waste my time bidding on some commercial piece of crap property that just wants the cheapest...

So to all you guys that keep postin on here about losin commercials to these lowballers doin it for nuthin. Quit wastin yer time, an get accounts that appreciate what you will do for them...
 

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So you come here and complain about it :)

I just said I didnt think he should undercut it for the work. I simply said if he could, which I dont think is likely either, net anything off of it, then go for it if he needs the work. You called me ignorant yet you restated just about everything I said in my last post. You just elaborated and *****ed about it more.

Actually, if you look at our picture thread, you will see that it is full of more higher end lawns and one commercial account.

Todd
 

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Originally posted by terracare
Figure out how you can mow it for under 9000. The business is most likely to take the lowest bidder, just like any other commercial account.

Todd

EDIT: Not trying to knock the commercial market, there is money to be made; but this is just being realistic. Most commercials will take the lowest bidder, and many times the lowest bidder will do a quality job. Keep this in mind when you are hunting out commercial accounts.
This is really true. I bidded on 16 apartment communitys last year by the same management group.. They had all kind of complaints. There were even spots the grass grow too tall and the contracts they have now said well it's to tall to mow now. Well they got bids from me and another company. They told me and the other company bids was higher then the company they have now.. So they keep them. On commerical accts lowest bid wins 99% of the time in my book
 

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Originally posted by terracare
So you come here and complain about it :)

I just said I didnt think he should undercut it for the work. I simply said if he could, which I dont think is likely either, net anything off of it, then go for it if he needs the work. You called me ignorant yet you restated just about everything I said in my last post. You just elaborated and *****ed about it more.

Actually, if you look at our picture thread, you will see that it is full of more higher end lawns and one commercial account.

Todd
Oh boy...........Cmon terracare, I never once called you ignorant. Re read the post. I never restated anything in your post either. I just quoted you. I dont call anyone on the boards ignorant.

But if the shoe fits............

I for one dont think wrestlingcoach should stoop to cutting his bid in half to win the bid from some ignorant ******* who doesnt know how to bid.....

Wrestlingcoach......that was a very fair bid, an I wouldn't budge. Let all these cheesy ignorant asses take all these commercials, an move on.......
 

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QUICK QUESTION HOW LONG OF A JOB WOULD THIS BID BE? FULL DAY? AND WHAT COSTS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT U ARENT MAKING A PROFIT OFF 9000. NO IDEA WHAT 15 ACRES IS LIKE so im clueless and wondeirng how much your expenses are taht 9000 wont make a profit
 

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The government seems to get the biggest cut. I would think 25-30 percent of that would immediately get put into the tax expense category. Then you have to depreciate your direct costs (equipment, labor, etc) into hourly figures, as well as your indirect costs (insurance, phone, etc). Whatever is left from that is profit, although I doubt there would be much, if any left after those.

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Originally posted by monkey9197
QUICK QUESTION HOW LONG OF A JOB WOULD THIS BID BE? FULL DAY? AND WHAT COSTS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT U ARENT MAKING A PROFIT OFF 9000. NO IDEA WHAT 15 ACRES IS LIKE so im clueless and wondeirng how much your expenses are taht 9000 wont make a profit
Can you cut 15 acres 26-30 times a year, do a 3 step fert program, an trim the hedges twice a year for $9000? Probably not.........

How long would it take you to cut 15 acres?
 

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OK folks.... Im stepping in here to give my opinion... YES, 9k is a realistic bid. We do commercial only & from what I see the specs are 15acres ( wide open and flat ) 2.5 acre of fert.....and some misc. hedge trimming.

Here ya go....

2 52" ZTR riders can cut 6 acres and hour (2.5hrs) at $7500.00 that is $ 115 per hour :)
2.5 acres weed & fert 3times per season ( oh yaaa ) $ 1000.00 for fert ( 7.5 acres total ) $ 133 per acre

$ 500 for some misc. hedge trimming ( I'm in )

Sorry to have to give the reality check, but you all were drifting way out of the picture....... Now do you feel better that you would be making a profit ??

Keep in mind the equipment.... if you were planning on doing it with smaller / lesser equipment then the end result changes.
 

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Originally posted by IndyPropertyCare
OK folks.... Im stepping in here to give my opinion... YES, 9k is a realistic bid. We do commercial only & from what I see the specs are 15acres ( wide open and flat ) 2.5 acre of fert.....and some misc. hedge trimming.

Here ya go....

2 52" ZTR riders can cut 6 acres and hour (2.5hrs) at $7500.00 that is $ 115 per hour :)
2.5 acres weed & fert 3times per season ( oh yaaa ) $ 1000.00 for fert ( 7.5 acres total ) $ 133 per acre

$ 500 for some misc. hedge trimming ( I'm in )

Sorry to have to give the reality check, but you all were drifting way out of the picture....... Now do you feel better that you would be making a profit ??

Keep in mind the equipment.... if you were planning on doing it

with smaller / lesser equipment then the end result changes.
HUH??????? My 60" lazers will only cut 6 acres an hour.....Thats full speed with no bumps, turns, or indentations.......

Ah hell.... I aint even gonna explain it. Indy, come on up here I'll put ya work with them figures.....I'll sit on my ass an collect the rest....
 
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