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Bayer Merit or Generic Imidacloprid?

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by tremor, May 13, 2007.

  1. tremor

    tremor LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,476

    There are a lot of choices this year. Some of these choices make better agronomic sense than the same old SCU summer fertilizers we've been saddled with these past 15 years.

    For instance one item we're selling is a post-patent imidacloprid on a 65%Nutralene + Iron containing summer fertilizer.

    What is everyone planning to use?
  2. lawn king

    lawn king LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,388

    we are staying with bayer and going to use allectus.
  3. upidstay

    upidstay LawnSite Bronze Member
    from CT
    Messages: 1,554

    Stick with Bayer. Alot of the off patent stuff is just .5g granular Merit blended with fert. Bayer maintianed the patent for adhering the chemical to fert granules, and are suing those who violate that patent. If it isn't blended properly, you will not know how much AI you are applying.
  4. tremor

    tremor LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,476

    Bayer's patent covers a dry manufacturing process on SCU only. The Andersons decided to make a generic on SCU anway (Grub Out). I'm not sure if they're using 75WP or a liquid process. This would affect their exposure to the patent. Bayer isn't likely to sue their biggest customer but they might.

    The Nutralene fert I'm speaking of (Mallet) is a wet manufacturing process.

    These are not fly-by-night companies that are producing the generics. They are some of the most trusted manufacturers in the business.

    I'm not aware of anyone blending .5G with fertilizer right now but I do know of a disaster a few years ago. Ironically Bayer did test & approve that manufacturer's fiaso. The trouble there was that the .5G seperated from the fertilizer during Vicon applications resulting in striped turf. The bulk desnity of the .5 carrier was different than the fertilizer so they seperated in the hopper & while flying through the air.

    Either way, no pesticide has ever come off patent & failed as a result. Generic Imidacloprid will be available regardless of the scare tactics used by stake holders.

    Who did you hear was blending .5G with fert?
  5. Grassmechanic

    Grassmechanic LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,697

    FWIW, I use generic Imidicloprid for Emerald Ash Borer and am pleased with the results.
  6. lawn king

    lawn king LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,388

    We start allectus apps tomorrow. The AI is .225, we are expecting big results from this product. Merit always produced remarkable control for us so im sure the allectus will do great as well.
  7. Grassworks Inc.

    Grassworks Inc. LawnSite Member
    Messages: 95

    Been using Merit and generic's for the past 2 years with no difference between the two. I get 2 mini-drums of Merit on early order program (gets me an i-pod, great xmas present!), then I get however much generic I need to finish my grub apps. My apps are all liquid, so I have no problems with particle separation, etc... I just throw in some wsp's in with my Rd 2's and spray. 2 invoices for one treatment, gotta love it.
  8. lawn king

    lawn king LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,388

    With allectus, we are feeding, controlling surface insects and grubs with one app, that is sweet!
  9. Grassworks Inc.

    Grassworks Inc. LawnSite Member
    Messages: 95

    I make my own allectus by tank mixing talstar one with my merit or generic. Can also vary the amount of N going down depending on weather conditions, and can add fungy, iron and micro's as needed.
  10. tremor

    tremor LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,476

    The thread was about Imidacloprid but I do find it amusing that Allectus prices are NOT dropping at a rate consistent with the lower cost of the Imidacloprid that is used to make Allectus.

    What are folks paying for Allectus? Is it cheaper than this time last year?

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