Absolutely aces all the way. Look absolutely fantastic, just like broken stone but will save tons $ labor costs vs. real natural stone.

They key thing to understand is that they actually have a pattern when you install them, but it might take a while to figure out, I'd call Belgard first before installing (basically, you put the "butts" against each other).

Make sure you protect the surface when compacting because the surface is embossed.

 

Yeah, when i went to Hardscaping North America I helped the Belgard Reps build their booth for a little while and basically it goes down like a clover leaf. I am sure everyone else will follow suit with a similar product since it does look so nice.

 

Be carefull with that stuff, Its a lot more expensive than regular pavers and is a pain to get the pattern going. But looks cool

 

Be carefull with that stuff, Its a lot more expensive than regular pavers and is a pain to get the pattern going. But looks cool

it is not much more than regular pavers....

it is only in the $5.00/sqft range. it is the same as mega bergerac, etc......

it is awesome. we have used it on a couple of jobs, and are doing a display at our offiice

 

I love it, only used it two places so far, but I think we have 2-3 more jobs sold with it. Today it really got me thinking about it from a customers perspective when one guy told me "I don't want that it looks like stamped concrete".

 

Be carefull with that stuff, Its a lot more expensive than regular pavers and is a pain to get the pattern going. But looks cool

The pattern is EAAAASY. A chimpanzee can put this stuff together.

Anyone that needs some tricks just PM me but this is easier than the 3 piece stuff

 

I just found out about these today! We took a class at our local hardscape supplier today for a few hours and they introduced us to some new products they are carrying, these included.

Freakin' cool as heck!!! I think these will be hot. But the price point is definitely going to have to be higher than your typical paver job. Material will cost more and labor will probably be 20-30% more I am guessing. But worth it! I think people will pay more for these. I picked up two samples just to carry around in the back of my pickup and show to people when giving paver bids.

Aside from the pattern being a little slow to learn, I think the bigger cost is the custom cutting that will have to be done when you get to the edges. But then again, you don't always have to install them with a smooth edge. If someone likes the look and wants to save money, you can just go with a natural edge like they did in much of this photo below...

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They don't make any edger pieces so if you are running along a foundation wall expect to do alot of cutting. Here is one we did last year using arbel.

 

it is not much more than regular pavers....

it is only in the $5.00/sqft range. it is the same as mega bergerac, etc......

Not much more??? That's over double what we usually spend on pavers.

 

Zedo, that photo is sick! Well done. I can't even see the edge restraint. That looks amazing.

 

Zedo, that photo is sick! Well done. I can't even see the edge restraint. That looks amazing.

As you can see the job wasn't quite done yet, we had some celtik curbs go on the inside edge then we put the restraint after that.

 

Zedo, that does look killer. It almost looks like you didn't have to cut anything. very nice workmanship. they only come in an 80mm though, so you get less sqft per pallet. that would be where your extra cost would come in i would think.

what types of edging would you guys use with this project. I know Zedo said he put Celtik curbs on the inside, but what other options do they have in 80mm pavers.

 

zedo the pix of the walkway look awsome this picture is a lil off subject but by looking at your name i think you would aprreciate this picture of my car now i know its not quite everything that the c6z is but its pretty darn good

 

zedo the pix of the walkway look awsome this picture is a lil off subject but by looking at your name i think you would aprreciate this picture of my car now i know its not quite everything that the c6z is but its pretty darn good

Still a beautiful car though! I used to have an 02 zo6, it sure was a sweet ride. The c6z is a real handful though, you have to be careful when passing cars on the highway, the rear end will break out if you don't have stability control on.

 

Xedo, where do you get Belgard pavers in Ontario, I can't find a dealer listing on their website.

 

Xedo, where do you get Belgard pavers in Ontario, I can't find a dealer listing on their website.

Check out www.permacon.ca its the same stuff.

 

Not much more??? That's over double what we usually spend on pavers.

then you're installing cheap pavers.

doublin cobble is about $3.35/sqft
mega bergerac is in the $5.00/sq ft neighborhood......

 

Permacon looks like nice stuff. I've got a guy interested in a 280sf patio of that stuff but was sorta nervous to install it for the first time.

 

Permacon looks like nice stuff. I've got a guy interested in a 280sf patio of that stuff but was sorta nervous to install it for the first time.

Same as regular interlock, once the pattern is figured out, it goes down easy. Lots of cutting so try to design accordingly.

 

then you're installing cheap pavers.

doublin cobble is about $3.35/sqft
mega bergerac is in the $5.00/sq ft neighborhood......

Fine. I guess I am installing cheap pavers then. We have 3 main paver suppliers in town, and one irrigation supplier who carries a small line of pavers. And until this month when one of our suppliers introduced Belgard pavers, every paver available in the entire metro area of Portland Oregon sold for less than $3.00 per sq. ft. Most of them around $2.20 - $2.50 per sq. ft. So I guess we're all just installing cheap pavers over here. And I guess where you live everyone installs expensive pavers.

Cool. Whatever....

 

Comparing pricing of Arbel versus pavers is a trap.

Instead compare arbel to broken natural stone with all its cutting, uneven heights, etc etc and then you see the value in arbel, IMO

 

Comparing pricing of Arbel versus pavers is a trap.

Instead compare arbel to broken natural stone with all its cutting, uneven heights, etc etc and then you see the value in arbel, IMO

Give the man a Ceegar! Pretty much hit the nail on the head with that one. I just wonder how the surface holds up over time.

 

I have a quick question, we're going to be installing a patio w/ the mega arbel. I love the look of it and hope to make this an option for our budget conscious clients. The question I have is which tamp should I use to set them? 3k or 10k?

 

I have a quick question, we're going to be installing a patio w/ the mega arbel. I love the look of it and hope to make this an option for our budget conscious clients. The question I have is which tamp should I use to set them? 3k or 10k?

Arbel and Mega Arbel certainly are not for "budget conscious clients"

The pavers are heavy, thus the crew WORKS SLOW, VERY SLOW.

If the ARBEL are meeting up against a wall of some sort (inside cuts), you may have to cut the same paver 3 times before it fits into place perfectly.

I love the Arbels. Makes for a beautiful pavement. We have installed Arbel. But they're ALOT of labor to install. It's a product for clients who REALLY must have it, or who really DON'T CARE what it costs.

 

I have a quick question, we're going to be installing a patio w/ the mega arbel. I love the look of it and hope to make this an option for our budget conscious clients. The question I have is which tamp should I use to set them? 3k or 10k?

Budget compared to dry-lay flag? In terms of all interlock, this is some of the most expensive!

Use the 3k.