If you give a good but reasonable price from the start there is no need to negotiate. Dropping the price by over 10% simply because there is mention of other work will set a bad precedent. They will expect you to discount everything 10%.
If they request a discount and want to dangle 10 jobs in front of your nose without a commitment in writing, you tell them that you'd happy to give them a nice discount when you get that tenth job not the first job. And then tell them that you are confident that your $140 price is a fair and reasonable price for both of you and them.
Sorry, I was just reading thru this thread, but I know from reading hundreds of other threads about this. Is a 16 year old able to carry insurance and sign a commercial contract? I'm sorry if this was brought up before or I missed the discussion, I had to skip thru a couple sections because of the negativity...
Sorry, I was just reading thru this thread, but I know from reading hundreds of other threads about this. Is a 16 year old able to carry insurance and sign a commercial contract? I'm sorry if this was brought up before or I missed the discussion, I had to skip thru a couple sections because of the negativity...
No, a 16 year old can't sign a commercial mowing contract as an individual. In other words if he is not signing as an authorized representative of a company, he would be an individual who is a minor that is not of legal age to enter into a personal contractual agreement.
Yes, a 16 year old can sign as an authorized representative of a company. There is no age limit for ownership of a lawn company. As long as the 16 year old has formed a legitimate business entity, he can sign a commercial mowing contract because he is no longer signing as an individual, he would be signing as an authorized representative of the business entity. The company that manages the commercial property and the company that is providing lawn mowing service are entering into a contractual agreement with one anotherÂ…neither party is signing as an individual representing themselves.
No, a 16 year old can't sign a commercial mowing contract as an individual. In other words if he is not signing as an authorized representative of a company, he would be an individual who is a minor that is not of legal age to enter into a personal contractual agreement.
Yes, a 16 year old can sign as an authorized representative of a company. There is no age limit for ownership of a lawn company. As long as the 16 year old has formed a legitimate business entity, he can sign a commercial mowing contract because he is no longer signing as an individual, he would be signing as an authorized representative of the business entity. The company that manages the commercial property and the company that is providing lawn mowing service are entering into a contractual agreement with one anotherÂ…neither party is signing as an individual representing themselves.
Yes and no is the correct answer, but a minor (representing a company or otherwise) can sign a contract but the contract cannot be enforced in a court of law. Further a court cannot remedy a breach of said contract. So, the contract exists and if both parties comply it is done. If not the contract is dissolved.
Yes, this has been discussed frequently in the past and there are many posts with incorrect information regarding the topics of contracts and minors.
Yes and no is the correct answer, but a minor (representing a company or otherwise) can sign a contract but the contract cannot be enforced in a court of law. Further a court cannot remedy a breach of said contract. So, the contract exists and if both parties comply it is done. If not the contract is dissolved.
Yes, this has been discussed frequently in the past and there are many posts with incorrect information regarding the topics of contracts and minors.
Yes and no is the correct answer, but a minor (representing a company or otherwise) can sign a contract but the contract cannot be enforced in a court of law. Further a court cannot remedy a breach of said contract. So, the contract exists and if both parties comply it is done. If not the contract is dissolved.
Yes, this has been discussed frequently in the past and there are many posts with incorrect information regarding the topics of contracts and minors.
I'll respectfully disagree with the first two statements of yours that I put in bold and I'll agree with the last statement of yours that I put in bold. This is a topic for another thread.
I'll respectfully disagree with the first two statements of yours that I put in bold and I'll agree with the last statement of yours that I put in bold. This is a topic for another thread.
Well, the op is a minor so this thread does invite the topic sort of. I have had the conversation on lawn site before, and it is easily researched. I think my statements are generally correct concerning minors, I am not sure about the situation where a minor signs on behalf of a company.
Just called the guy back about 15 mins ago, his tone sounded like it was a lot, but he said he would get back with me.....if I don't get it I'll just move on to greener pastures.....(no pun intended)
hey bud, just wanted to say good luck on your bid. If you think about what I said in my first post and recommendation, I said you might regret 100 bucks over the long run. If you hit that 140 mark, you will be fine as long as you can get it done in the amount of time you have estimated it will take. If you underestimated your time, and it takes 3.5 hours to finish, with the 140 bid, you will still gross about 40 an hour. Subtract what expenses you think you will have and there ya go. If you go with the 100 bid and it takes you 3 hours, that's 33 an hour gross. I suggested bidding higher because its a larger property for your mower set up. Bid high and make it worth your while. Those guys are right that a bigger mower can increase profit margin, but then again...time is money. Hear me out on this; sometimes mowing MORE of the smaller yards can be more profitable for guys like us with the smaller equipment. What you don't want is for that property to consume a large portion of your time. If you can knock out 4 smaller yards in 2 hours at 40 bucks each....that would be 160 bucks in 2 hours gross. My concern is that property would take you longer to do than your estimate of 2 hours with the equipment you are currently running. I am in a similar situation if you look at my signature and equipment list. I have passed on two larger jobs for this very reason. I could be more profitable banging out the smaller properties with a "run and gun" style.
These are just points to consider, and I hope you get the job. A BIG plus of a job like that is the visibility. That's a big parking lot with LOTS of people going in and out. If you get the job, invest a little in vinyl signs for your truck or trailer with your business name and number! You will probably pick up a few customers that way simply through the advertising.
Although your posting may have been sidetracked a few times, definitely consider everyone's points and come up with your own conclusions because only you can determine what will or will not be profitable for you.
Nope, i was giving it til tonight (Friday) and he didn't. Kind of disappointed, but i have better ideas for commercial properties that are much smaller. And will suit me better as of 2014 anyways. Small family owned places, like their is an insurance company here close that a single guy owns and not a big company, and a dentist office, also a vet is here close too. I want to try for at least a few commercial properties.
Nope, i was giving it til tonight (Friday) and he didn't. Kind of disappointed, but i have better ideas for commercial properties that are much smaller. And will suit me better as of 2014 anyways. Small family owned places, like their is an insurance company here close that a single guy owns and not a big company, and a dentist office, also a vet is here close too. I want to try for at least a few commercial properties.
Funny thing is, the guy probably got a lower price than yours.
You're 36" will dominate smaller properties anywayÂ…nothing wrong to try and take one on like this shopping center occasionally (after all you need one or two BEFORE you run out and buy a bigger mower) but you'll make better money and likely have less competition for smaller ones, where "the big boys" are going to not want to waste time jamming in a big rider.
Funny thing is, the guy probably got a lower price than yours.
You're 36" will dominate smaller properties anywayÂ…nothing wrong to try and take one on like this shopping center occasionally (after all you need one or two BEFORE you run out and buy a bigger mower) but you'll make better money and likely have less competition for smaller ones, where "the big boys" are going to not want to waste time jamming in a big rider.
Well i know from my experience the past few years, with my 21" went fast for the most part on smaller properties, and my 36" will dominate. Smaller properties get done a lot quicker, where you could maybe do one bigger job in an hour for $40. I could do 2 smaller ones providing they were close for $30 each and still get done before that hour is up. So i want to stick with smaller properties. I have 3 properties this year that are right next to each other, a 3/4 acre total between them, i can get them done super fast. About a lil over an hour with trimming. That's $75 for a lil over an hour of work. That's real good money.
Well i know from my experience the past few years, with my 21" went fast for the most part on smaller properties, and my 36" will dominate. Smaller properties get done a lot quicker, where you could maybe do one bigger job in an hour for $40. I could do 2 smaller ones providing they were close for $30 each and still get done before that hour is up. So i want to stick with smaller properties. I have 3 properties this year that are right next to each other, a 3/4 acre total between them, i can get them done super fast. About a lil over an hour with trimming. That's $75 for a lil over an hour of work. That's real good money.
There ya go! That's exactly what I was saying a few days ago on here. Sometimes a big property will bog you down and actually eat into your profit because you can be bangin out smaller properties. I have 5 yards all within walking/parking distance on one street! That is where I make good money. I can bang them out, and bring up my hourly net profit. Stay positive, and don't look at NOT getting a property as a failure, because it wasn't/isn't. It just wasn't tailored to your operation.
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