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Bid on a shopping center. Need Help!

Discussion in 'Starting a Lawn Care Business' started by mwalz, Feb 26, 2014.

  1. TPendagast

    TPendagast LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,682

    If everyone is bidding 200 bucks, 140 will land it easy.

    Be careful he's not trying to squeeze you just because you're a kid.
  2. aaronmg

    aaronmg LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 357

    Sorry, I was just reading thru this thread, but I know from reading hundreds of other threads about this. Is a 16 year old able to carry insurance and sign a commercial contract? I'm sorry if this was brought up before or I missed the discussion, I had to skip thru a couple sections because of the negativity...
  3. A. W. Landscapers  Inc.

    A. W. Landscapers Inc. LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,285

    The answer is yes and no.

    No, a 16 year old can't sign a commercial mowing contract as an individual. In other words if he is not signing as an authorized representative of a company, he would be an individual who is a minor that is not of legal age to enter into a personal contractual agreement.

    Yes, a 16 year old can sign as an authorized representative of a company. There is no age limit for ownership of a lawn company. As long as the 16 year old has formed a legitimate business entity, he can sign a commercial mowing contract because he is no longer signing as an individual, he would be signing as an authorized representative of the business entity. The company that manages the commercial property and the company that is providing lawn mowing service are entering into a contractual agreement with one anotherÂ…neither party is signing as an individual representing themselves.
  4. MarkintheGarden

    MarkintheGarden LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,133

    Yes and no is the correct answer, but a minor (representing a company or otherwise) can sign a contract but the contract cannot be enforced in a court of law. Further a court cannot remedy a breach of said contract. So, the contract exists and if both parties comply it is done. If not the contract is dissolved.

    Yes, this has been discussed frequently in the past and there are many posts with incorrect information regarding the topics of contracts and minors.
  5. TPendagast

    TPendagast LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,682

    whenever i see your name, I always think of operation market garden :usflag:
  6. MarkintheGarden

    MarkintheGarden LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,133

    not familiar with "operation market garden".
    now that i see those words i think i need to mount an operation!:weightlifter:
  7. A. W. Landscapers  Inc.

    A. W. Landscapers Inc. LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,285

    I'll respectfully disagree with the first two statements of yours that I put in bold and I'll agree with the last statement of yours that I put in bold. This is a topic for another thread.
  8. MarkintheGarden

    MarkintheGarden LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,133

    Well, the op is a minor so this thread does invite the topic sort of. I have had the conversation on lawn site before, and it is easily researched. I think my statements are generally correct concerning minors, I am not sure about the situation where a minor signs on behalf of a company.
  9. mwalz

    mwalz LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,178

    Just called the guy back about 15 mins ago, his tone sounded like it was a lot, but he said he would get back with me.....if I don't get it I'll just move on to greener pastures.....(no pun intended)
  10. rbljack

    rbljack LawnSite Senior Member
    from Texas
    Messages: 731

    hey bud, just wanted to say good luck on your bid. If you think about what I said in my first post and recommendation, I said you might regret 100 bucks over the long run. If you hit that 140 mark, you will be fine as long as you can get it done in the amount of time you have estimated it will take. If you underestimated your time, and it takes 3.5 hours to finish, with the 140 bid, you will still gross about 40 an hour. Subtract what expenses you think you will have and there ya go. If you go with the 100 bid and it takes you 3 hours, that's 33 an hour gross. I suggested bidding higher because its a larger property for your mower set up. Bid high and make it worth your while. Those guys are right that a bigger mower can increase profit margin, but then again...time is money. Hear me out on this; sometimes mowing MORE of the smaller yards can be more profitable for guys like us with the smaller equipment. What you don't want is for that property to consume a large portion of your time. If you can knock out 4 smaller yards in 2 hours at 40 bucks each....that would be 160 bucks in 2 hours gross. My concern is that property would take you longer to do than your estimate of 2 hours with the equipment you are currently running. I am in a similar situation if you look at my signature and equipment list. I have passed on two larger jobs for this very reason. I could be more profitable banging out the smaller properties with a "run and gun" style.

    These are just points to consider, and I hope you get the job. A BIG plus of a job like that is the visibility. That's a big parking lot with LOTS of people going in and out. If you get the job, invest a little in vinyl signs for your truck or trailer with your business name and number! You will probably pick up a few customers that way simply through the advertising.

    Although your posting may have been sidetracked a few times, definitely consider everyone's points and come up with your own conclusions because only you can determine what will or will not be profitable for you.

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