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Bidding on 21 acre cut and trim

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by hayesandsons, Feb 20, 2005.

  1. hayesandsons

    hayesandsons LawnSite Member
    Messages: 14

    I used the program Groundskeeper Pro V5.2.1 and I set my basic price at 10.00 for every 1,000 square feet and labor at 10.00 and .5 man hours for every 1,000 square feet and the total price came out to per cut $9,147.60 then i figured there is an average 2 cuts a month for 7 months and came out with a total price of $128.058.00 for a bid.
    This is my first year in business and don't want to go in the whole. I can't see doing the job for less and not make any money. I have been told to just start out with smaller accounts till you build up my equipment for a job like this which will cost me about 15,000.00 in equipment to do job
    Any feed back for a newbe
  2. MacPhersonlawn

    MacPhersonlawn LawnSite Member
    Messages: 170

    Correct me if I'm wrong but I figure it out to be $435.57 per acre. That seems more than a little high. Usually would charge about $70 per acre, maybe a little less if it is all at one location.
  3. Likestomow

    Likestomow LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 997

    Take the advise you have been given previously.
  4. stumper1620

    stumper1620 LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,889

    i agree.
    I run on 65.00 an acre, but i deal with craftsman night riders around here that would cut my legs off for 20 acres
    I would go around 12 to 1300 per mow. i would take 5% off if its all one big vacant lot
  5. Fantasy Lawns

    Fantasy Lawns LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,912

    Look at it this way if you had a home on a 1.5 acre site with 1 acre of grass would you pay some one $400 to cut it each time ??

    If you would than please move to Cocoa Beach

    We use to mow a 15 acre site which was at $850 per cut or just around $57 per acre .... but I don't bid by size ...... I estimate my time based on size than bid using time as my factor ....

    I depend on being quicker on larger jobs with good fast productive equipment which allows me to be competitive in such a tight market .... time is $$
  6. QualityLawnCare4u

    QualityLawnCare4u LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,758

    Wow!! In my area that would go for around 6-650 per cut if your lucky. Thats a lot with a minimum amount of trimming. I had a 3 acrea lot that I got 65 for and was considered high priced. It had about 10 minutes of trimming. If you get it then go for it, you will be making some $$$$.
  7. hayesandsons

    hayesandsons LawnSite Member
    Messages: 14

    What would be the cheapest way to do this equipment wise.
    i looked at a rider 61" at $7999 Toro
    i looked at a walk behind /rider 36" at $2000 Bob cat
    I looked at 2 weed wackers $200
    I looked at 2 back pack blowers $500
  8. Precision

    Precision LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,995

    ok, first off $10 per 1000 ft square is way high. a standard 1/4 acre lot is 12,000 square feet less the house and drive way. so call it 7500-9000. So at your prices you are charging $75-90 per cut on a 1/4 acre. Good luck.

    and if I understand in addition to that you are charging $10 per 1000 labor.

    Figure out a price per 1000 inclusive.

    No way it would take .5 hours to mow 1000 ft sq not even with a weed eater.

    My Gravely 60" will mow my 1/2 acre lot in 12-15 minutes, 20 in peak season. and say another 15-25 minutes for weedeating, edging and blowing. So max 45 minutes per cut in peak season. We are talking 19,000 square feet. No way anyone would pay $190 per mow for half an acre. And with volume comes discounting.

    I could mow 21 acres in between 4 and 12 hours depending on terrain and obstacles. Is it a 21 acre HOA or a 21 acre park.
    Mow only at 8 hours would be $500
    weedeating and edging at $75 per hour.
    so call it 16 hours total That would be 500 plus 600 or $1100 per cut with weekly cutting or $1800 for EOW cutting.

    25 cuts (weekly) or $27,500 annually
    14 EOW cuts or $25,200 annually

    No way it should cost you $15000 in equipment for this property

    $6500 to 10,000 for a mower
    weedeater $350
    Edger $350
    Blower $ 450
    $11,000 would be the most and you can use those things on all your other properties and they will all last at least 2 years if not 4 if you maintain them. And that assumes you own nothing other than truck and trailer.
  9. MacPhersonlawn

    MacPhersonlawn LawnSite Member
    Messages: 170

    You are going to get $128,000 for 14 days of work (twice a month for 7 months) I think you can buy any equipment you want.
  10. Kelly's Landscaping

    Kelly's Landscaping LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,684

    I am sitting in my basement as we speak its 30x35 so est. 1000 sq ft even with the extra amount of turns for such a small space it would take me no more then 60 seconds with my 60 inch lazer and perhaps 90 seconds with my 44 inch lazer. Trimming 1 min tops I realize youÂ’re very new to the trade but I do not want to see you get laughed at by the property owners. In my area I doubt I could get 40 an acre with both brickmam and tru green going for anything over 5 acres I would not even be allowed to bid on such a sweet account. But if I were I would jump all over this at 35-40 and acre and be more then satisfied at 840 a cut. I could cut this myself double cutting the lawn in 10 hours and just have 1 guy weed wacking pay him 100 for the day and I am looking at a 700 dollar day after expenses. But I would not be doing that I would assault this with all 3 of my ZTRs and both crews and I expect it would be done in 2.5-3 hours. Now I would love to make 9k for 3 hours work but I am not a safe cracker so I have to wait a while longer to make that but it sill comes.

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