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Discussion in 'Landscape Architecture and Design' started by DiSantolandscaping, Dec 2, 2011.
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I wouldn't worry too much. He could bid 3 grand on the job and he wouldn't get it after a short conversation with the GC. No one is going to screw up that kind of project unless it's the big dig.
you'd be surprised what GCs will let people do.. if they think they can get 50 grand worth of free work outta him before they throw him off the job they'll do it in a minute!
Like someone said. Most large GCs are not stupid. They may be difficult, they may be strategic, they may squeeze the snot out of you, but on their end, theyre not stupid.
Something doesnt smell good if they are soliciting a bid from someone that doesnt have the first clue what they are doing.
Either they already know who is doing the job and just need another bid to satisfy the paperwork.
They are going to hold your hand through the project and soak you for all the free labor they can get.
They dont know you dont know what you are doing but will find out soon enough
I am the first one to dive in on a huge project way over my head. By that I mean something that is big, complicated, exceeds my current capacity, but a field that I know, and it just requires me to make a plan to pull it off.
With my little operation I would bid a sealcoating job to seal the entire US Interstate system, if it came across my desk.
But its a field I know. I would have to go to the ends of the earth to do a job like that.
What you are talking about, you dont even have a basic knowledge of the types of tasks you are bidding on. Youre dealing with infrastructure, underground utilities, inspections, codes, warranties.
You dont have to do the entire job yourself, you can even sub most of it out, but you need to have a basic understanding to know what you are talking about.
Not having that, I would pass on the job, or see if it can be broken up allowing you to bid on the parts of the job that you do know about.
Ive done this with really big jobs before myself. Where sealcoating is a portion of a major paving, excavating, drainage, type project.
Ive had the GC separate out the areas I specialize in and award me the work.
Ive also stayed in touch on the project and contacted the contractor that was awarded the job, and got the work that way.
But I wouldnt bid the whole project not knowing what i was talking about.
Youre bidding on building a house and asking whether or not you will need a hammer.
yeah, im one of the gullible dumbasses who got screwed over like this because i took on something way over my head. I like to challenge myself with different aspects of the business however when it comes to projects where i am way out of my boundaries i step away.
You wouldn't install a foundation for a house just because you can play with concrete would you? This project needs someone with years of experience on it. However!! if the project has enough room for a large profit margin you can always factor in an engineer to be on site during the project to oversee everything. Also it would be smart to bring in some help to estimate the project out.
MAKE SURE YOU OUTLINE EVERYTHING TO BE DONE ON THE ESTIMATE!!
--example: - the drainage on section d-3 (blueprint grid) is to include 30 hours work, 45 yards fill dirt, 100 feet 12" concrete pipe... blahblahblah.. state how much everything will cost, per man hour ext... if a job is underbid you need to do a change of work order form, never do anything without a signature saying its ok to add the work. On large projects i have a time keeper and my employees have to punch in every time they start working and punch out every time they leave the job site. Go to office max and get a storage clipboard, a couple of manila folders, and all the carbon copies for organizing projects. You would do yourself a favor by replacing your spot on the labor force with someone else and then you stand around and take notes all day and make sure everything is running smoothly.
Impressive reply. Great read. And sound advice.
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